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What's that got to do with anything?
You stated they were a left government, many people corrected you and you argued with all of them that you're right and they're wrong.
Now that I've provided sources you're changing the topic? Get over your ego.
I like you, my vote tally has you sitting on +34, but take a minute and think beyond trying to win an argument.
How can you expect any form of left unity when you argue blue in the face that an explicitly not left government is so. Are we supposed to prop up our enemy at all times because there's a worse guy waiting in the shadows?
The ratchet effect has been ongoing since the 70s and now we must pretend that an explicitly not left party is left as well? Where will that lead us? How will that affect the Overton window? How can we expect to make progress when discourse gets shut down because we're not showing enough solidarity to people that explicitly don't show us solidarity because they're explicitly opposed to our views?
The modern day Labour party are not left wing. Nothing to do with the spectrum of liberal or authoritarian but the spectrum of economic policy.
Labour are both authoritarian and right wing.
And the left are expected to back them?
We have FPTP, yes. But we're not a two party state like America either. Our only options aren't Labour or Tory, akin to Democrat or Republican. The Lib Dems were power brokers in 2010, the DUP were power brokers in 2017. The Greens and Your Party have both made mention of working together to prevent standing candidates against each other. The SNP are also likely to work with a Green and Your Party alliance, as they have allied with the Scottish Greens in the past (who are more left wing than the GPEW).
If we continue voting for right wing authoritarians we will never make progress. Regardless of whether they wear blue or red. Regardless of whether they're explicitly racist or not. Regardless of whether they're explicitly pro-aristocrats or not.
Labour were captured in the 90s. There was no viable alternative for left wingers to go then though and there were still many lefties within the rank and file of the party. Starmer has made sure to purge most of that since Corbyn left. They only thing left about them now is legacy, branding, and reputation. Don't let the bastards win.
how about spending 1 billion to get people to not need food banks ?
https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/labour-end-food-banks-crisis-resilience-fund/
What about it?
Is that money being spent to put the means of production back into the hands of the working class, building workers greengrocer cooperatives for example, or is it being spent so we all go back to giving Tesco, Sainsburys, Lidl, etc our money?
Positive news doesn't necessarily mean left wing. There isn't much detail in the article over how they're going to spend the money to pull people out of food bank need but it's likely to just return us to private capitalist for profit supermarkets. Which aligns exactly with the New Labour Blairite Third Way, which is, again, explicitly not left wing but "nice" capitalism.
Food banks only serve to exemplify how left wing policy (free, socially paid for, food given without question at the point of need) can work so if anything they're attempting to shut down a network of left wing support with the depressingly uplifting spin of "helping" people go back to providing profit for supermarkets.
Please read what the third way is. It's duplicitously contemptuous. As an analogy, it's like the slavers that realised if they treated their slaves with a bit of kindness, fed them well and kept them warm, they got more work out of them than making them sleep on the cold ground with near empty bellies.
Again, there's little detail in the article, and I read it not long after waking up on my way to work so maybe I missed something, but from what I can tell this doesn't help bring economic control into the hands of the working class. But just ensures our bellies are kept full so we can continue to prop up the capitalist system that serves the few, not the many.
I'm just going to try to protect the reputation I have with you.
Sorry about not citing reference, try again in a few weeks.