Hello. I am looking for an alternative to Telegram and I prefer an application that uses decentralised servers. My question is: why is the xmpp+omemo protocol not recommended on websites when it is open source and decentralised? The privacyguides.org website does not list xmpp+omemo as a recommended messaging service. Nor does this website include it in its comparison of private messaging services.

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/assets/img/cover/real-time-communication.webp

Why do you think xmpp and its messaging clients such as Conversations, Movim, Gajim, etc. do not appear in these guides?

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Many people have reverse-engineered and analyzed whatsapp; it's clear that they are actually doing e2ee. It is not certain that they don't have ways to bypass it for targeted users, and there is currently a lawsuit alleging that they do, but afaik no evidence has been presented yet.

[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I personally wouldn't consider it E2EE if they can easily bypass it, which all logic would dictate they can. Your message isn't going to be picked up by a 3rd party, but if a techno-fascist corporation in league with a rouge fascist state can read it, then its not secure at all.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

In case it wasn't clear, I'm certainly not advocating for using WhatsApp or any other proprietary, centralized, or Facebook-operated communication systems 😂

But I do think Facebook probably really actually isn't exploiting the content of the vast majority of whatsapp traffic (even if they do turn out to be able to exploit it for any specific users at any time, which i wouldn't be surprised by).

[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

Like I said, Facebook is actively in cahoots with Trumps fascist agenda. I fully believe if you live in America at least they are using your chat history to build a profile on you for Palantir's surveillance system. Like you said, there is no hard evidence for it, but based on their history, their lack of morals, their zero ethical standards, and the lack of legal repercussions for anything big tech does, you'd have to be a fool to trust any software they've developed.