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But they claim it's Russia interfering in our elections to deflect from the real problem
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It’s both. Don’t pretend Russia is harmless.
Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.
Like, you can't talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.
Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.
Where do you get this stuff?
By putting a mediocre level of effort into paying attention into world events and world politics, and then analyzing those events.
Its miraculous what putting in even a basic level of effort does. I highly recommend.
Here's a visual example that shows how Israel thinks of itself, displaying what I'm talking about (another lemming posted this earlier in the thread, cant for the life of me remember whom):
Bruh we're literally sending billions annually to Israel so they can then turn it around and bribe our politicians to get more.
Yeah, Israel's playing on easy mode. Meanwhile Russia's got sanctions, their invasion target has enough of an army to fight back, and they still manage to get candidates elected in the US.
Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
Inside the US, there's a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.
I'm not sure about "by far", but it doesn't really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.
And also there's overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)
Israel doesn't support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.
I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they're the same threat.
Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they've commandeered.
Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.
That's like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.
Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.
Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I'd say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.
May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.
Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can't convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.
American workers can't unionize at Starbucks. That's one billionaire. Putin can't have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.
Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.
American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.
Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?
Don't get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.
A few 100 memes on Facebook didn't have any impact on elections. Russia didn't fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior
It is well known that Russian disinformation campaigns go far beyond that. And frankly, you sound an awful lot like a Russian shill. Kinda hope that's the case, cause the only other explanation I can fathom is sheer stupidity.
This country is so politically divided that no amount of Facebook memes is going to change a Democrat voter to a Republican or vice versa. Democrats have a history of propping up pieces of shit as candidates and then are shocked when people don't support their pieces of shit based on them having a shitty history and then blame Russia.
Do you have a reference for a credible study? Since the youth who watches TikTok isn't that numerous and doesn't vote that much, how could that have such an influence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
Also how could Russia buy propaganda on Facebook without US approval? The US is doing regime changes all over the world. Why should they make such a Rooky mistake and hand over the presidency at home?
The wikipedia article has over 600 hundred references, including a section specifically on the disinformation campaign.
There is more, but I think the 600+ sources in the wikipedia article do a better job than I ever will.
They don't have as much influence as liberals like to believe they do, they just have a political party that is so inept in governing that they have to blame it on someone so they choose Russia. It's the exact same techniques the government used during the 1950s Red scare, they convince the public that Russians are everywhere
Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.
Russia isn't "harmless" if we're having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.
But if you hear mainstream media start to cry "but Russia" you should see that as a HUGE red flag.
There is no comparing "Russian Influence" to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That's ridiculous.
I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is "controlling America". No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.
Let us know of the Russian PACs able to funnel millions into election campaigns
NATO and the USA have lost the Hybrid War launched by Russia in March 2013.
Kremlin brags that only 1% of its online disinformation Hybrid War content has been discovered and removed. 99% flies under the defense radar of Five Eyes (FVEY).
Putin and Surkov called it ‘Operation Matthew 4:19.’ The global manipulation of everyday people included turning social media consumers into Russian assets and deliberately spreading measles and COVID-19 misinformation.
General Philip Breedlove (the military alliance’s top commander) says that Russia is waging “the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare.”
The new Russia doesn’t just deal in the petty disinformation, forgeries, lies, leaks, and cyber-sabotage usually associated with information warfare. It reinvents reality, creating mass hallucinations (SOURCE).
Russia Russia Russia,
I mean, he’s citing sources, you’re just whining. Put your sources up if you want anyone to listen to you.
i despise Russia for destroying the world like they have. fucking evil.
Reading comprehension please. Did I say they were equal? Did I say they used the same methods?
Think for a moment before you respond. Your incapability to reason critically about this topic makes your argument look weak even though I’m fucking agreeing with you.