But they claim it's Russia interfering in our elections to deflect from the real problem : latestagecapitalism

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's the neolibs' version of "blame the foreigners" - instead of blaming immigrants for the problems of one's country like the fascists, the neolibs will blame "foreign interference" for the problems of one's country.

Meanwhile Occan's Razor tells us that the 100% local people who have power in one's country are the most likely explanation, yet, "curiously", the very politicians who are supposed to properly manage the country (and are clearly not doing in a way that serves the interests of most people) end up blaming foreigners in some way or another.

And I say "one's country" because this propaganda technique of the dominant mainstream politicians is hardly a thing that only gets used in the US.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

2 things can be true at the same time. I would not expect someone like op to be able to realize this though.

[+] starik@lemmy.zip 24 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

What's a tankie. ?

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

A bullshit term that liberals like to use whenever they hear something they don't agree with.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

Save yourself while you still can

[–] goferking0 -1 points 1 hour ago

Anyone to the left of Biden or the dnc

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Account age 11mo?

(Tbf .world has a bunch of those instances de-fed’ed.)

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Urban dictionary says it means authoritarian communist.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago

Sorry I was trying to be funny. I will attempt to explain more seriously.

Tankies are supposed “communists” who defend “communism” as implemented by China CCP and the USSR. They will tell you these are good implementations of communism. You will find many of them on Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml both instances .world has defederated from, so you are probably not seeing a lot of posts from them.

The joke about account age was because it is surprising you would have spent that amount of time in the fediverse and not heard of Tankies yet.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago

They both seem like real problems though don't they? Also the links between Russia and Israel are pretty strong...

[–] Zier@fedia.io 13 points 9 hours ago

Actually, Russia is interfering with the US elections, it's called Donald Trump.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 74 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

It’s both. Don’t pretend Russia is harmless.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.

Like, you can't talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads

Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals

Where do you get this stuff?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Bruh we're literally sending billions annually to Israel so they can then turn it around and bribe our politicians to get more.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 23 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, Israel's playing on easy mode. Meanwhile Russia's got sanctions, their invasion target has enough of an army to fight back, and they still manage to get candidates elected in the US.

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -23 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Inside the US, there's a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.

Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections

I'm not sure about "by far", but it doesn't really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.

And also there's overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Israel doesn't support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago

Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.

I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they're the same threat.

Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they've commandeered.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.

That's like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

denying that trump is a russian assett

Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.

How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?

The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?

Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I'd say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.

May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can't convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.

American workers can't unionize at Starbucks. That's one billionaire. Putin can't have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.

Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.

American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.

[–] forrgott 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?

Don't get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

A few 100 memes on Facebook didn't have any impact on elections. Russia didn't fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior

[–] forrgott 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It is well known that Russian disinformation campaigns go far beyond that. And frankly, you sound an awful lot like a Russian shill. Kinda hope that's the case, cause the only other explanation I can fathom is sheer stupidity.

[+] tyler@programming.dev 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 21 minutes ago (1 children)

This country is so politically divided that no amount of Facebook memes is going to change a Democrat voter to a Republican or vice versa. Democrats have a history of propping up pieces of shit as candidates and then are shocked when people don't support their pieces of shit based on them having a shitty history and then blame Russia.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you have a reference for a credible study? Since the youth who watches TikTok isn't that numerous and doesn't vote that much, how could that have such an influence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections

Also how could Russia buy propaganda on Facebook without US approval? The US is doing regime changes all over the world. Why should they make such a Rooky mistake and hand over the presidency at home?

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

They don't have as much influence as liberals like to believe they do, they just have a political party that is so inept in governing that they have to blame it on someone so they choose Russia. It's the exact same techniques the government used during the 1950s Red scare, they convince the public that Russians are everywhere

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Russia isn't "harmless" if we're having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.

But if you hear mainstream media start to cry "but Russia" you should see that as a HUGE red flag.

There is no comparing "Russian Influence" to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That's ridiculous.

I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is "controlling America". No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

In theory, could Putin have a political action committee in the US? If not, what prevents it?

[–] Ignoranceisnotabliss@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago

One tried, than "mysteriously" died

[–] vpol@feddit.uk 14 points 12 hours ago

It’s absolutely both.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Look into any political person you're thinking about voting for. Call them out for taking this money and primary them

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago

We’re bribing ourselves.

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