Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
Feddit.org's explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:
- They accept both pro- and anti-Zionist members, so it's not proof of a bias.
- They [choose to] comply [in advance] with strict German / Swiss / Austrian laws regarding [overly broad] "antisemitic" language, or they might get in trouble.
- Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu's genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.
- Lots of Euros (and Germans specifically) are pro-Zionist, so they feel like they have to accommodate this view.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:
- Explicitly prohibit pro-Zionist accounts from joining.
- Take measures to resolve their claimed legal issues, e.g., moving their server location to a less regulated jurisdiction, and ensuring that admin accounts remain anonymous regarding their location.
- Stop referring to folks who call for "Death to Israel" or similar as though they are the terrorists or violent extremists. The Zionist Israeli settlers, the murderous IDF rapists, and the entirety of the Israeli government are clearly the violent ethnostate extremists we should be worried about, not the Palestinians in Gaza who are fighting for their lives every single day against completely disproportionate levels of Zionist violence.
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.
I've also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:
This one says it all... mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It's apparently "xenophobic" to state a few hard truths.
If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.
Voting instructions
I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:
- https://feddit.org/c/YUROP
- https://feddit.org/c/europe
- https://feddit.org/c/buyfromeu
- https://feddit.org/c/europa
- https://feddit.org/c/dach
- https://feddit.org/c/deutschland
- https://feddit.org/c/germany
Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.
Downvote this post if you'd prefer not to ban these communities.
Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that's the better option, then we'll do that instead.
Note 3: Although I don't really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.
"you should be lined up against a wall and shot"
"Kill yourself"
It blows my mind how this type of speech is being used by the op as proof that they're on the right side of things. This is so wack that some part of me wants to believe this is some kind of social experiment to find out how far you can push people on social media until they push back against the echo chamber.
But I doubt it is. It seems more likely that this mod is leveraging his position to instrumentalize this community and shape it after his own vision of political activism. All under a laughable guise of democracy. Every single vote on this instance has been presented in a biased and manipulative way that leaves no doubt what the outcome "should" be. How very democratic of you. Slow clap.
Hey, unruffled: your attempts at social engineering and radicalization are ham-fisted and painful to watch.
I initially joined db0 because it seemed like one of the more heterogenous communities on Lemmy. That there was no clear label that comes with the db0 tag like "the tankie" (hexbear) or "the normie" (world). That it had the shortest list of defederations in comparison with the other bigger instances.
Over the past few months this has changed. There has been a shift towards echo chamber, armchair revolution and increasingly more hateful language. Give it three more votes and you'll be voting in favor of roasting babies on a stick. Because free Palestine, or Zionism, or something. SMH.
I don't like being told what to think about a certain topic. Even when that view aligns with my own. And before the mob frothing at the mouth charges at me - yes I'm German and yes, free Palestine and down with Israel (preferably with not a single additional life lost).
For all instance members reading this:
"Don't worry you'll get the wall"
Do you want to be associated with people who unironically spout this type of hatred? I don't. Bye, db0
Thanks for a write up that fully reflects my view on the situation. Posted this a few times: everything single topic on here gets immediately politicized - and there's only one truth on 0db nowadays.
Yeah you nailed it. There’s been quite a few votes with quite a few vocal people that are just not it. I left sh.itjust.works to come here because the vibe shifted on a similar trajectory. I’ve been donating to this instance monthly since I joined, but I’m close to pulling the fucking plug on it.
Sayonara.
Sick burn bro. Never said I’d leave anyway, just that I’d stop donating so don’t know why you’re saying bye.
You realize that acting like a child doesn’t really help anyone take you seriously right?
Oh I'm sorry, I got the impression you were done with us, since you said you left sh.itjust.works for similar reasons.
I’m done engaging with you that’s for sure.
likewise.
Dude why are you still replying to me? What’s wrong with you?
Edit - Rhetorical questions, stop talking to me.
Why are you still responding if you're done? Seriously? I'm blocking you now kind of expected that from you if you claim to be mature.
Stop replying to me.
Omg you guys are in the "you hang up uwu" "no you hang up uwu" phase, it's so fun to watch.
this instance even has a specific rule for exactly this reason!
"I'm done engaging with you" "Stop replying to me"
You know you don't need to reply, right? All you did by doing that after saying you're not going to is make yourself look dumb and pathetic. You could have left it to where it started, with the other person being the dumb and pathetic one, but you just couldn't stop yourself from bringing it to this where you're both that.
They complain of users being misinterpreted, but when those users use deliberately inflammatory language elsewhere, it's not a stretch for a moderator to then interpret messages like 'death to Israel' as calling for further violence—implicitly against civilians—and taking action based on it. Supporting the genocide against Palestine is wrong, but so is calling for retributory violence against Israeli civilians, explicitly or implicitly. Their moderation problematically confuses anti-Zionism and antisemitism at times, but it's not an action they should be blocked or defederated over.
It's called self-defense. You have a right to defend yourself when attacked, even Israhell agrees with that. They just maliciously misinterpret what "defend" and "attacked" means.
Guy from the "evil zionist instance" here. Yeah no, this strong radical language should not be rationalized as something constructive. db0 mods shouldn't meddle in the moderation of feddit from what I can see is clearly language that turns the discussion bad faith. There's space for constructive discussion but pretty much none of the examples shown here are.
That's not what people are all that concerned about. Have you heard of the one Nazi walks into a bar analogy? Same thing applies with feddit.
that would imply that no antifascists should be allowed to enter the bar bc there are some nazis in there, and the bar will stay operational.
unless ur suggesting the feddit mods need to ban zionists whenever they appear, in which case, i agree.
Some even vote them into and tolerate them remaining in office I hear.
Aren't we all complex human beings at the end of the day? Oh and of course ceterum censeo Carthagine esse delendam.
To hell with civility politics. The outrage is the mass slaughter of innocent people, not some unpleasant language on the internet. It's not surprising that people hate evil bastards.
Two things can be at once. For example, outage over crimes against humanity and civil discussion with strangers.
I agree, this is the number one reason I have grown to really hate liberals and liberal apologists. When the issue is human lives you don't get to argue about someone being less than polite. Human lives are more important than the feelings of whiny liberals. Especially whiny Zionist liberals (who are often the ones invoking respectability politics to silence anti-Zionists and antifascists).
With all due respect, shut the fuck up Zionist apologist!
I don't consider being mean to genociders as "being shitty", I consider it righteous.
Yeah sure, the folks opposing genocide are spreading hatred against those who implicitly or explicitly support it. Makes total sense 🤔
are u saying that these are mutually exclusive? that ppl who oppose genocide can do no wrong?
im not necessarily against insulting fascists, but i dont think its particularly effective at anything but escalating tensions. can be good at making ppl feel shame for expressing such beliefs, but that doesnt always have to be the case
I'm immediately skeptical of people who advocate for civility politics because it is one of if not the number one liberal excuse to silence dissenting views when you are wrong.
Yeah don't bad-jacket db0 users, @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com made this post to bring awareness on a real issue this instance is facing at the hands of communities on a liberal Zionist instance filled with Zionist liberals. They are using respectability politics and bad-jacketing to silence anti-Zionists and antifascists which is not okay by our standards.
If you don't like that then you should get out, you obviously didn't understand what you were signing up for when you registered here. We're leftist anarchists, not liberals.
You're losing and you know it
This is not a game
It's a war
Bye, don't let the door slap your ass.