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[–] aport@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you never go check anything for yourselves?

If I did that I wouldn't be sitting here looking like a misinformed jackass, now would I?

Is your worldview shaped by scary bedtime stories told by your nana The Us State Department?

State dept, US and western-sympathetic media

When has Russia ever claimed it wanted to annex all of Ukraine?

I think Putin wants a Lukashenko in Ukraine.

why would it want to get embroiled in countless territory conflicts and battle out hundreds of mini quagmires, when it could just annex the autonomous regions that do not have these issues?

I feel like I'm missing something here because the "autonomous regions" are where these battles and quagmires are occurring.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it, and I apologize for the hostility.

I feel like I'm missing something here because the "autonomous regions" are where these battles and quagmires are occurring.

You are correct. However the fighting has been occurring in these regions since 2014 due to their high number of russian separatists. Those regions would likely be relatively stable as memberstates of Russia - as well due to these high number of ukrainian russianspeakers. Other regions of Ukraine which have been relatively stable as parts of Ukraine, would likely not be stable as parts of Russia. These regions would then become unstable autonomus quagmires.

Finally: If you think Ukraine has a moral obligation to fight to the last, why do you think you are not obligated to go there and fight yourself? If Russia is an evil imperialist country, why does standing up to them not go across borders? We are supplying Ukraine with weapons and armaments and equipment and training, and the country is welcoming (begging for) volunteers. All the manpower it can get it needs, so why do you think you're exempt? If you are so invested in the course of this war, if you believe there is a moral obligation, why do you think yourself not to be obligated?

Edit: I've since seen your apology. You do not have to answer the last question if you don't want to

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Answer their question or all your bloviations have been for nothing