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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world -4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Saying something over and over doesn't mean its true.

That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don't believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don't owe either of them shit.)

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You hated the DNC so much you voted for them and defend their actions tooth and nail?

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I'm not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I'm still grappling with the point of it all now that we're doomed.

I understand that tactics aren't likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Well then tactically you fucked up lol

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You either don't understand what tactics mean or you have some really Pepe Silvia shit to share with me.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

You voted for genocide and still lost. Tactical and strategic woopsie.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone has lost, and there's more genocide.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well there's the same amount of genocide. But yes, we agree, and that means voting this way was a tactical and strategic failure.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 46 minutes ago

Same amount in Gaza, more in the US.

[–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Ah yes, because giving Trump the win instead has ended genocide and improved the lives of millions

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I am saying that objectively looking at the outcome of the election means that running and supporting a pro genocide campaign was a tactical and strategic failure. You shouldn't do that in the future.

[–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Oh. Yes, agreed

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Jfc you idiot. YOU STILL GAVE TRUMP THE WIN!!

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 hours ago

it was either them or fascism

Who do you think helped prop up and build the foundations for fascism? That's what your tactics resulted in.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.

Denying reality over and over again doesn't make you right and the perspective you are espousing was the dominant narrative up until the elective. That individually voters just needed to "do better". You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach? You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn't show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?

What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

You want to blame voters; you need them to win elections. Explain to me how you plan on getting back the 6% of Democratic voters you lost using your approach?

I don't need to win shit anymore. I don't care, its obviously a fool's errand to give a shit. The 2024 US election taught me that. All worrying about politics does is hurt me and waste my time with fools.

You blamed them for failure before the contest was even run and they didn’t show up for you. Now what? How does your analysis change their minds into showing up?

All that's left is rot, so I'm going to pick through the garbage and hope to find some gems before we all drown in shit. My analysis is just based on brutal reality. They did not show up "for themselves" as well. Its not just me they've hurt. Leopards are eating faces, and not all the owners of those faces are "shitlibs" and MAGA, some of them are protestors who didn't vote.

There is no means for me to change people's minds on voting so you don't need worry about me trying. I just want people to understand that the very virtue obsessed moral framework they are using to make their decision to not vote has hurt them. Its doomed them. I want them to feel bad about it because in so far that someone can deserve to feel bad about it, they definitely should.

What you are doing is the same thing petroleum companies did around recycling in the 90s. By believing this is some negotiation of individual choice, you are obscuring the fact that the Democrats structurally undermined their own ability to stop fascism. Blaming the individual is why fascism won.

No its not. In a purely rational sense, I don't really blame anyone. Free will doesn't actually exist.

But within the context of people I can like, dislike, or hate as the emotional creature that I am: I definitely can fucking loathe multiple groups at the same time and feel catharsis at their suffering.

I think you are still operating under the delusion that this second Trump term is something we will escape from, but the thing is, bad times don't create good times. They create more bad times. We are in the gravity well of a metaphorical political and environmental black hole, and you are in denial.

The dems will win in 2028, and it wont matter much, other than we'll get some sweet painkillers as we pass into oblivion. Because the GOP will win in 2032. Or society will completely collapse. Or the globe will roast all of our food and we'll all starve. There are not much in the way of good things to look forward to.

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 1 points 10 hours ago

I can see both sides of this. Yes, the moral and proper thing to do is to be anti-genocide and to take an anti-Israal, anti-Zionist position after the Gaza invasion. We were right to insist upon it as a condition for our vote and whoever the Dem nominee was should have taken a hard anti-Gaza war stance. However, the reality of the situation is that the vile monsters that control the party didn't listen to us and ignored or talked around this issue for those sweet, sweet AIPAC dollars. We all know that they didn't listen to us for an entire year. This was the reality on election day.

Knowing this, if you still voted for Trump, a third party, or "not at all" on election day instead of holding your nose and voting for Harris, you are just as responsible for the fascism we have now as any shitlib who was screaming at anyone and everyone to "fuck off, and fall in line" or "vote blue no matter who" before and during the election.

You didn't have to tell anyone you were going vote for Harris. In fact, we should have been telling the Dem party that we will refuse to vote for them right up until the end. Hell, you can still deny today that you ever voted for Harris in 2024, as long as you actually did in secret.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t need to win shit anymore. I don’t care,

Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then. All bottled up deep inside so you don't hand the fascists another victory.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Great. Then just keep it all to yourself then.

No lol, eat shit, scumbag.

All bottled up deep inside so you don’t hand the fascists another victory.

Still insistent on the delusions I see.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

No lol, eat shit, scumbag.

You don't deserve charity. You objectively supported fascism with your actions. And now youre saying you don't care enough to stop it.