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I normally do not notice but one guy took something I posted the wrong way I noticed a bunch of downvotes on it fast. Even recently I had some responses of folks sorta defending what I had. So it makes me wonder if all the downvotes are from multiple actual sources or generated by the one person but I can't imagine going through whatever hoops you would to have multiple accounts to do multiple downvotes. I still really like the trust cafe thing with ranking everything but its basically for yourself and the feed algorithm. Rank someone low and in your feed their stuff will get pushed down. rank someone high and their stuff gets pushed up. I dunno possibly or I can see it taking into accounts ranks of ranking at lesser degrees as you go out in degrees of freedom. I guess what im saying is ranking and voting makes the most sense like most things to be just about an account and not a community thing.
The first assumption should be that multiple down votes on a single post or comment is from multiple people, the same as assuming multiple upvotes from from multiple people.
Yes, there are people who create bot farms to mass down vote and up vote. They are not that common despite claims by mods and admins that it is impossible that five people might be browsing New decided to down vote their AI slop shortly after it was posted.
yeah this was wierd because honestly I don't see how he got his take from what I wrote and I did not get other replies bent our of shape about it. I have reread my initial comment and there is kinda an outside chance you could take the term "worse situation" and apply worse to be about some othere spot in it, if you get the word order stuff messed up in the head. I suppose it could be a pile on effect.
The down votes were others who had the same or a similar take. If you get one reply that explains clearly why they think your take is terrible and you get a dozen down votes and they get a dozen up votes it is safe to assume a dozen people agree with the person who replied and didn't feel the need to repeat the same point. Even if their reply has less, it just means some people disagreed and didn't bother replying.
It is the same as up votes being higher than the number of replies. There isn't a need for everyone to post 'same' just because they agreed.
AI slop is absolutely one of the few things that absolutely gets bulk downvoted to be fair. You're right there.
That's why most AI-content communities have huge banlists.
By bulk you mean a lot of users don't like it and as a group choose to down vote it because it is crap?
The AI content communities have ban lists because they don't like the fact that nobody wants to see their slop. The ones I know of don't gain any traction on posts that don't have down votes.
Yes, in this case.
Sure, you could say that. I think it's perfectly reasonable to communities that are potential targets of heavy downvoting to respond to it, no?
Pretty sure dbzer0 has multiple AI communities, no? So it's more than just 1 person. Dbzer0 is the pro-AI (relatively speaking) instance here.
Their response is to ban people who disagree instead of maybe considering that AI slop communities are terrible and nobody wants them. You know, like how a MAGA community being down voted should maybe consider the crap they are posting isn't wanted. Yes, I am saying that AI slop communities are a comparable detriment to the fediverse in the same way as having a hate group community. Not an equivalent, but also bad and the large number of down votes should be a sign they are not wanted.
There is a difference between spamming a bunch of overly specific AI slop communities and a few general purpose AI topic communities. There are some dedicated AI communities that are successful, especially ones based on local models. Those are fine and I don't down vote those, just ignore them.
For example, there are a number of very specific AI communities like AI witches and AI mushrooms and AI cats with orange hair or some other overly specific topic and blocking a bunch of those is way more tedious than a couple communities. The low quality and volume of it is just spam nobody wants, and we should absolutely down vote spam.
Clearly if someone made that community, then at least someone wants them. I imagine there's some others that do want them.
I mean, MAGA communities also get banned for conduct - but assuming they didn't, it would also make sense for the owners and moderators to ban downvoters too.
And people can solve it by blocking those communities. So what's the problem?
Then they'll ban you.
And you can't stop them from banning you. So what's the problem?
No, one person making a community doesn't mean that any additional people want that content.
The AI communities that do mass banning were initially doing it as 'vote manipulation', which can be seen by other moderators and if taken at face value can lead to future moderation issues due to word of mouth.
Plus when you are banned from a community it takes extra effort to block in some interfaces. At the time I was using lemmy and you had to go to settings and look up a community you were banned from to add it to the block list because the sidebar hid the block option when banned as subscribe and ban are in the same interaction block thingy. Since they banned from about a dozen communities I had to document the names of those dozen communities so I could look them up in settings to block them from clogging up my feed.
The problem is that they are intrusive, annoying, and how they handle down votes makes everything worse. Just because I down voted one stupid AI slop post that came through my All feed.
AI slop communities are a spam problem.
I mean, okay, I guess it's not "vote manipulation". "Bulk downvoting" is the more accurate term.
I mean just block communities you don't like when they appear on your feed. Pretty sure on piefed you can just click the little "..." and block the community of origin if you don't like it when you see it in /all/ or wherever you are browsing.
Do you call a lot of upvotes 'bulk upvoting'?
I don't bother blocking a community until I recognize the name because a single post might not represent the community. There are enough slop posts in communities I do like that my default is to just down vote and move on unless there is a pattern. No, I don't double check the user name and community for every post.
By down voting it makes it easier to double check a community that I think I recognize by checking the community and if I just have down votes in the most recent posts then I block.
Why should I go out of my way to do extra stuff instead of just down voting and blocking when I feel like it? They are the ones impacting everyone by spamming slop nobody wants.
Yes, but that sort of behaviour is far more socially acceptable on the Fediverse.
I mean given your zeal, I assume any community you see that is basically AI-slop - you'd block out of hand.
Then that puts you at potential risk of being community banned down-the-line if you are seen as a repeat downvoter without contribution by the community owners.
You don't have to do anything, but just that downvotes on the Fediverse are public to community mods and instance admins and some make use of this to ban repeat downvoters.