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What's the consensus on PSL? (The Party for Socialism and Liberation) (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Emmi@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

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Before discovering this community, I was in a different community that proudly calls itself leftist. I posted a documentary; Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang which was very eye-opening for me.

Anyway, posting that started to really upset people, saying that the documentary is PSL propaganda. That PSL is authoritarian, backed by a Chinese Maoist billionaire and that PSL is riddled with sex abuse scandals. That of course PSL would simp for DPRK because it's authoritarian. I was even called a holocaust denier for defending DPRK.

So is PSL bad? Where can I find better information on this? I've already tried looking into PSL and it all seems okay? The sex abuse scandals I am not sure about, is there more information on this? Am I being too critical on this?

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[–] chinawatcherwatcher@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the authoritarian stuff is meaningless, and the DPRK documentary you watched is great and totally worth sharing. the issues i've heard about as it relates to PSL is about an ossified leadership and leadership structure. this is i think a large part of the reason why there have been so many sex abuse scandals: sex pests get into the org, commit sexual assault, and then are not removed but protected by various levels of leadership. this obviously implies some deep theoretical problems as well, which all current western ML orgs have anyhow.

i found this link that compiled every major criticism or complaint about PSL. i haven't looked through them all (there are a lot), but those that i looked at (i mostly focused on the sexual assault coverup allegations) looked legitimate. there's also some nonlegitimate critiques in there from what i recall, so take everything with a grain of salt. but, it does seem like western ML groups have an issue with not only patriarchal tendencies but underlying marxist patriarchal theory.

[–] Emmi@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link. The two from that list that ring a bell is "PSL is a high-control group with an ineffective strategy" and "Ruthless Criticism, But Keep It to Yourself: Concealment and Corruption in PSL Philadelphia". I think those are the two that were said about PSL in the forum I was in.