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Warnings of Iran Invasion Grow as US to Send Up to 5,000 Marines, Sailors to Middle East

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[–] Foni@piefed.zip 119 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The window of opportunity to get out of this situation in the USA is closing fast, and if it's not seized soon, this mess is going to last decades, assuming a lot of deaths and an absurd amount of money that the country no longer has like it did decades ago. The shit is going to fall on everyone.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure the window is already closed. This is our second war with Iran in under a year. Both of which were started by the US/Israel; while we were actively negotiating with Iran. After the first war, we bragged about how the negotiation was a genius move by us to catch Iran with a surprise attack. The last time we had a major treaty with Iran, we unilaterally tore it up; and none of the other signatories stepped up to try and make Iran whole.

The 12 day war ended when we decided to end it. Iran agreed because no one likes getting bombed, and they assumed we had done all we had the stomach to do. However, this type of stop-and-go conflict massively favors the US. Iran's strength lies in a sustained war of attrition. Deplete our air defense systems faster than we can resupply them. Disrupt the oil market long enough to cause global shortages. Draw us into a war against an insurgency. None of this is effective if they let us decide when the conflict pauses.

Their actions show this. Mining the straight of Hormuz and bombing oil fields are not the type of action you take for a conflict you don't plan on lasting. Appoint the son of the leader we assisinated as your new leader. Those are decisions that will take months to reverse.

Also, I should mention that the current leader of Iran just had his family killed by us. And Iran was just in the middle of an internal political crisis that conveniently goes away in the face of an external one.

I don't see how we get Iran to agree to end the war without us offering some major concessions.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

Short of offering Trump's heads on a platter, I do not think Iran would consider any overture to be sincere. Or the world, for that matter.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

this type of stop-and-go conflict massively favors the US

good analysis, but this is false, because Iranian missile/drone production is higher than US's, and so it recovers faster than US. JDAM production capacity is high though, even if 2026 budget is only for 2300, and are dependent on rare earths. 2026 budget cost is $80k/unit.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The consumable on the US side is interceptors, not missiles. Iran's ability to land hits goes up dramatically once we are out of them.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

JDAMs are plane launched "dumb bombs" with extra guidance and fin system added on to be more precise. Iran doesn't have much defensive systems against the planes, and the bombs themselves are generally not intercepted. Iran does produce more offensive missiles than US combined offensive and defensive missiles, in addition to intensive drone manufacturing by Iran.

Just as there was a 20:1 kill ratio in favour of US in Vietnam as a US metric for how awesome everything was going for the US, generaly, every hit on US allies and Israel counts as a cost that was never supposed to happen. Contrary to Pentagon propaganda about fewer Iran missile launches every day, damaging strikes seem to be steady or increasing.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I foresee this escalating and getting worse, leading to some catastrophic nonsense that puts our species to shame in only a matter of months.

We’re running out of helium, the strategic oil reserves are at most 20% of what’s needed, and now that wells are capped it’s to take months to get back.

As this continues Trump will get madder, dementia-ier, and try and escalate more.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The odds of Trump trying to nuke someone is higher than 0%. My nation has contracted rabies. 😰

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Their only strategy is to escalate and try to look stronger.

Now, the US military is not something to scoff at, but they’ll eventually end up escalating to nukes and threats of nukes, because there’s no way to win.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does running out of helium mean though? Bush auctioned off the helium supply for no good reason, they get it from like natural gas in Texas, but also now like South Africa or something.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

semiconductors is most critical industry. US is an equal producer to Qatar (33% of supply each), and it is made from LNG (part that doesn't liquify) byproduct.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We aren't running out of Helium. The date at which a specific reservoir gets sold is coming closer.

[–] Man_kind@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Technically we are. We won't be out in our lifetimes, to my knowledge, but we aren't making more helium. Once its gone, its gone. So, it is running out, but on what time scale?

When will the human race start slowing down? Its eventually just going to get crazy expensive and only used when vital. And we're filling party balloons with it.

[–] MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn’t this about purity or something and the helium used for party balloons wouldn’t be used in critical applications either way?

[–] despoticruin@lemmy.zip 1 points 18 hours ago

Only because it's not currently financially viable to purify it. It's still mostly helium.

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The moon has a butload, if the scarcity becomes threatening there be enough financial motivation to mine it there.

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It closed when we assassinated the former head of state and the entire family of the new head of state along with a few hundred children.

[–] Man_kind@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

I am shocked that america isn't 24/7 protests.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's shitloads of protests going on over the matter, actually, but much like the protests against all the rest of Trump's bullshit and especially ICE, you wouldn't catch the media covering any of them, despite them being nigh-constant.

[–] Man_kind@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Show me. Why isn't lemmy full of protests?

They can stop many news outlets, but not all of them. Not all social media platforms.

The protests are small and insignificant.

They should be massive. Like the trucker convoy in Canada was.

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[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans have a unique way of protesting enshrined in the constitution. They aren't using it

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I have been able to talk some of my neighbors into at least saying that we'll stand together should ICE comes. But getting them to cross state lines? Or even do a Rent/Mortgage strike is just too many steps too far for most of them. Especially when take into account that it's days of travel, and you still need money for food and gas. Also our families needs food, shelter, and so on.

Surviving even at selfish costs, is unfortunately the Las Vegan way.

I at the very least thought a Rent/Mortgage strike would appeal to those selfish and apathetic, but somehow a strike that keeps your resources in your pocket is less liked than a General Strike that you have build resources for ahead of time. And arguing that we should encourage our homeless population to just take up homes that are sitting empty due to corps buying up houses for renting out was.... well let's just say I have to wait until people are more fed up before I can bring up that particular strategy again.

Hell getting people to go armed to protests has been met with hard no's even after I point out how different police act when people are armed. And that all you need to do is look at the Bundy Ranch standoff to see how much different police treat those that are armed. (The police at the time came in unarmed, and without body armor to negotiate just so they wouldn't set off the snipers).

So you want to know why we're not using the unique way of protesting? Logistics, survival, and because most Americans prefer to be livestock for the Oligarchs than to actually be wolves fighting for our liberty, and will make every excuse to just wait for the slaughter.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think that if the United States we know are replaced, we will need the new Constitution to enshrine UBI. Part of that should be free fuel, food, and lodgings. By providing such things, it will be much easier for people to protest. Right now, you have to risk losing everything if you dare wander off the corporate reservations.

No work? No agency. Have work? no agency.

We must work towards ensuring agency for every single person.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I've been thinking the exact same things. A New Constitution is what is required. Our Founding Fathers always planned for such events, and we were expected to rewrite The Constitution as needed, including upto building completely from new.

IMO, a government should only exist in service to the people, and when it fails at that service it needs to be reformed.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Armed protests don't always end well. Michigan in the 00's had a gay libertarian host a legalization of Marijuana petition to get the issue on the ballot, at his Rainbow ranch in like battle creek or something. Police fucked with them and the Michigan Militia showed up to defend them. State police shot the owner of the ranch with a sniper for no good reason after a bit.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Your argument doesn't hold much water when the alternative currently is letting them haul you and yours to a concentration camp, and are already killing Americans in the street at unarmed protests. Context and the amount of guns being the big difference, as I could not find any evidence that the Michigan Militia was involved. Only mention of them is that they provided unarmed security for the farm before the conflict arose but we're not present for the actual standoff.

So I'm going to need a source backing up your claims.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Most Americans are still not personally affected.

[–] Man_kind@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

All the ones that know what's happening are aware they are losing their freedom.

Im not bothered by maga or ignorant people not doing anything.

Its all the people that know what is happening. That think posting "release the Epstein files" will help. It would if they did it on congress' front lawn, but not in their echo chambers.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They don't understand they are.

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[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

It will already last decades, trust with nearly all countries in the ~~region~~ world is ruined.

But yes, get out ASAP, for damage control...

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