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Caesar from New Vegas was totally an annoying debate bro little shit nerd when he was a kid.
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That's because they are. Caesar was an educated NCR citizen (an anthropologist or something, I don't remember), who through cunning and unseen brutality, and knowing to surround himself by much more competent people (his legati), managed to unite a ragtag group of warring "tribes" in Arizona. He larped Roman stuff because he was a nerd who found some old books about Rome in a ruin, but at the end he was just a more successful warlord.
By murdering or enslaving everyone who opposed them, and by employing basic war strategy and logistics they overwhelmed every other group East of the Colorado, covering a lot of land really fast, fast enough to concern other regional powers, like Mr. House or the (not yet nuked) NCR.
If the courier (the protagonist of F:NV) is smart enough, they can realize that this blitzkrieg-like strategy is unsustainable in the long term, and if the legion keeps conquering territory it will collapse under its own contradictions. The only thing keeping middle ranking officers from rebelling is Caesar's leadership, and that the rate of conquest outpaced the stresses of governance. Caesar has also killed or kept down some of his smarter generals, so he's left alone at the top of the legion. Should the legion stop expanding, or Caesar die, it would fragment immediately into factions vying for power.
In the show, Caesar has died years ago, and two factions claim to be his true successors, but it looks like they don't really control territory the way they did when Caesar was alive, because they've gone back to warring amongst each other, and because these paleo-fascists can't keep state power, since all they know is conquest and brutality.
They've always been larping dweebs, who happened to be a little better organized and had better leadership than their opponents, until they weren't anymore. The way they're portrayed in the show just shows what all the pageantry is without any actual state power.
Yeah I remember people were complaining that they were greatly reduced and I was all "did you not play the game where it states plainly like a dozen fucking times that this shit pretty much dies with Caesar"
It literally is one of the dialog options you can use to talk Lanius out of attacking Hoover Dam. The Legion had so little time to be fleshed out that its fans just fill the gaps with whatever fascist power fantasy they want to believe and think it's canon.
It doesn't help that Caesar is a dumb person's idea of an intelligent person. He just uses random latin phrases, misunderstands Hegel, and people who haven't picked up a book since the 9th grade suddenly think he's some kind of mastermind.
Sometimes, I think of what New Vegas could be if Obsidian was given more than 18 months. The fact that they had something passable, let alone as good as it is, in the constraints Bethesda put on them is amazing.
Agreed 100%. Just imagine Pentiment-level writing in the Fallout Universe.
That's the point of him though.
I know that, but so many people take his character at face value, like he's some actually cool person.
Oh yeah, that does happen. It's so incredibly stupid. "BUT THE ROADS ARE SAFE AND NO TAXES" motherfucker what do you think tribute is and what are the roads safe from?
Almost as bad is all the Mr. House stans. Oh yeah guys lets have the literal Wizard of Oz metaphor have a go at it.
Yeah but ths "dead after Caesar" they showed is what seems to be a 50/50 split between two factions, for a combined total of what seems to be 3 dozen dudes
The legion presented in the game had to have more than a few dozen dudes because you literally can't control as much territory as they were stated to control without like, a thousand times as many
The show writers just don't understand scale, i.e. they give JUST THE WESTERN CHAPTERS of the Brotherhood enough FLYING AIRCRAFT CARRIERS that they could feasibly project power across the entire fucking planet, and this isn't questioned
We went through this in the last fallout thread. The complaint isn't that they're diminished, it's that the depictions of factions and the realities of the world are incredibly inconsistent. Caesars legion are reduced to a silly little camp, while the brotherhood somehow has flotillas of Prydwen to just throw away.
What is shown at every level of Caesars camp is also not a faction that has fallen due to any of the contradictions the game highlighted. Caesars corpse hasn't even begun to bloat, yet they're this little fuckass group. They're just that size because of nothing.
As is tradition.