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"israel is the most successful fascist society ever created" agree/disagree? (hexbear.net)
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  • it is in existence for many decades, multiple generations
  • culture as a whole is integrated with the military via conscription, then many related employment opportunities later in life
  • military not some sort of symbolic peacetime standby thing, but a way where majority of citizens are indoctrinated and jumped in as children or very young adults.
  • israel has enjoyed almost a century of careful special treatment despite their crimes and atrocities being widely known since day dot
  • immense internal/external propaganda force
  • fake it til you make it -- the fascist method of reality. rather than discovering truth, as with science, you create it. israel being a prime example.
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[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

USA! USA! USA!

mandatory service isn't a thing because there's a steady stream of impoverished youth to exploit, but it's early history was the most extreme genocide anywhere alongside chattel slavery

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There was a thread on here the other day about how armed services recruits were primarily from the middle class and low income is underrepresented. They posted a ton of data to back it up. I admit I did not really look at it closely to verify. If I can find it again I will link to it, if you were curious about it that is.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yes please I didn't see that. are you talking US or Israel? In either case I think it is quite plausible for different reasons.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't speak for their source, but here's what I found:

Over 60 percent of 2016 enlistments came from neighborhoods with a median household income between $38,345 and $80,912. The quintiles below and above that band were underrepresented, with the poorest quintile providing 19 percent of the force and the richest Americans enlisting at a rate of 17 percent...Over the last 20 years as civilian wages plateaued, military compensation for the post-9/11 force steadily increased.

A mid-grade enlisted sailor, soldier, or airman (at an E5 paygrade) made 10 percent less than the median American in 2000 and at the time was eligible for food stamps. By 2011, service members of the same rank were making 10 percent more than the median American, even without including benefits.

The article is a bit short on analysis, but it seems like the standards for Army recruits were raised and the pay was also raised. So, these days, an army grunt makes a bit more than the average middle class civilian would make.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-the-u-s-military-became-the-exception-to-americas-wage-stagnation-problem/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Over+60+percent+of+2016%2Ca+rate+of+17+percent.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

It makes sense if you consider that low income people are more likely to be in situations that are disqualifying or making it difficult to join the armed forces. For example to be tangled up in legal issues, non citizens, lower literacy/education, health inequalities.

E.g. https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join/requirements:

Asthma will only prevent you from joining if you were diagnosed with it after your 13th birthday.

All that means is that the person didn't have as good health care as a child.

Also that page is saying a highschool diploma is required and there is a limited number of spaces for people who have GEDs instead of regular diplomas.

So on the population level, lots of low income people will be filtered out and directed away on all these basis.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think mandatory military service is important because by the time you are 25 years old you have already either directly participated in, or knowingly collaborated in, some awful heinous crimes. furthermore, you know everyone you ever loved is also guilty. like all those snipers who spend their days kneecapping kids, those people are all integrated in society, they are loved by families who know what they do.

in USA those experiences are not as equally distributed.

I contend that israel is more homogeneously fascist, like psychologically fascist, beating the present-day US for this reason. possibly past US could make an argument although I wonder if that kind of fascist mind-state is really possible prior to mass media?

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

like all those snipers who spend their days kneecapping kids, those people are all integrated in society, they are loved by families who know what they do.

you know, i never thought about it like that. that is fucking insane.