neurodiverse
What is Neurodivergence?
It's ADHD, Autism, OCD, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, bi-polar, aspd, etc etc etc etc
“neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behavior”
So, it’s very broad, if you feel like it describes you then it does as far as we're concerned
Rules
1.) ableist language=post or comment will probably get removed (enforced case by case, some comments will be removed and restored due to complex situations). repeated use of ableist language=banned from comm and possibly site depending on severity. properly tagged posts with CW can use them for the purposes of discussing them
2.) always assume good faith when dealing with a fellow nd comrade especially due to lack of social awareness being a common symptom of neurodivergence
2.5) right to disengage is rigidly enforced. violations will get you purged from the comm. see rule 3 for explanation on appeals
3.) no talking over nd comrades about things you haven't personally experienced as a neurotypical chapo, you will be purged. If you're ND it is absolutely fine to give your own perspective if it conflicts with another's, but do so with empathy and the intention to learn about each other, not prove who's experience is valid. Appeal process is like appealing in user union but you dm the nd comrade you talked over with your appeal (so make it a good one) and then dm the mods with screenshot proof that you resolved it. fake screenies will get you banned from the site, we will confirm with the comrade you dm'd.
3.5) everyone has their own lived experiences, and to invalidate them is to post cringe. comments will be removed on a case by case basis depending on determined level of awareness and faith
4.) Interest Policing will not be tolerated in any form. Support your comrades in their joy!
Further rules to be added/ rules to be changed based on community input
RULES NOTE: For this community more than most we understand that the clarity and understandability of these rules is very important for allowing folks to feel comfortable, to that end please don't be afraid to be outspoken about amendments and addendums to these rules, as well as any we may have missed
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The amount of "aspie supremacy" in this thread with zero push back is concerning to me. Allistic people aren't inherently immoral and autistic people aren't inherently moral and pure. I'm far too frequently hurt and misunderstood by non-autistic people and desperately wish things weren't this way, but viewing people with this lens is harmful to everyone. That mindset discourages autistics from trying to form relationships with the vast majority of society and makes mass organizing effectively out of the question
The research itself is a bit depressing but it sounds like it may align with work done by autistic researchers on the double empathy problem
The idea that autistic people can't cause harm is very dangerous. Plenty of white supremacist autistic people out there. And double points they hide behind their autism when called out.
Abuse doesn't care about your labels. Hurt people hurt people after all. It's almost like human interaction is a very complicated nuanced topic. It's why you always have to be in the pursuit of knowledge, perspective, and truth.
And I say this as somone who has someone in their life who, while has done better on this, still treats me differently because he won't do any introspection.
Flip side. My wife isn't autistic. But as we've learned about it, often helps me when I don't even realize I'm having issues. And on top of that has used the things ive talked about in her social work to help autistic queer kids.
yeah i was bedtime scrolling last night and had to tap out when i came across this thread, i'm ND (and so is my partner and a ton of my close friends) and this thread made me deeply uncomfortable. a lot of people on this site just have a deep resentment for humanity that is incompatible with socialism. i understand wanting to give space for people to vent about oppression & to be vigilant against fragile/defensive reactions to that venting, but there is a line that's often crossed into outright self-superior misanthropy that is antithetical to any kind of real liberation.
They're acting like weirdo R*ddit dweebs lol. Autism mostly makes me vocal stim at 3 in the morning and have expansive standard operating procedures on something as mundane as microwaving a burrito. My crappy social skills is more about me being the weird kid going through home and school trauma and poorly equipped with the means to navigate through social environments than anything about autism in general. I guess I have that thing where I hate eye contact, but that's honestly shitty Western social customs since plenty of cultures think Westerners staring at each other's eyes is creepy unhinged shit.
I always disliked having poor social skills or being socially ostracized to be centered within discussions about autism. Plenty of NTs have trash social skills, and plenty of NDs, even people with autism, have good social skills. I don't really see the difference between an NT with shitty social skills and an autist with shitty social skills. They'll both be unfunny, give creepy vibes, don't understand how to navigate their bodies in social spaces, not understand jokes, not know how to start or continue a conversation, and so on. Like, just because people were autism are incapable of having good social skills (I don't agree with this characterization, but for the sake of argument let's accept it) doesn't mean that NTs are somehow naturally born with good social skills. I'm sorry, but I don't have the ability to see someone with poor social skills and go, "You can tell that they don't have autism but is just an NT with poor social skills." Must be the autism in me.
And don't even get me started at, "Autism is like a truth serum man, so we can't lie unlike the duplicitous en-tee." Get the fuck over yourself. I can see that autism apparently doesn't stop them from entertaining self-delusions about the alleged moral superiority of autists over NTs (and the rest of NDs apparently). Autists are the master race, NTs are untermenschen, and allist NDs fit in some intermediate tier within this fucked up hierarchy where they are better than the NT cattle but nowhere near as good the autist ubermensch.
I'm glad we're moving past "autism is about having a persecution complex against shitty NT and NDs-who-don't-have-autism-that-we'll-pretend-are-NTs-to-push-a-narrative bullies" and towards "autism is about being a trans furry with cute plushies."
Can I ask why is every single industry heavily critiqued by leftists for being a "psychological op" but somehow the DSM-5 is this one holy grail that is totally untouched and everything they say is the truth?
"Double empathy problem" is such a weird way to put it. It's just a mind reading loop problem that anyone can go through, it doesn't matter if you're NT or ND, literally everyone is different. You're literally doing another "Human nature" argument and you can't debunk me so you'll rage and fling shit at me. Because I can see right trough you.
I saw this before seeing most of the rest of the thread and holy shit, I figured there'd be some awful takes but it's so much worse. Like basically eugenicist shit and then the top reply is "actually, they're even more inferior than you think".
Maybe this less common context is a good opportunity to consider the vicious moralism and worldviews that are less concerned with making the world a better place or learning how to constructively talk with people and just being reduced to an absolute seething hatred of [social majority] that gravitates toward whatever vapid rhetoric lets one vent the most bile. It's the "ideology" of someone who has given up on socialism in any real sense and just wants to either feel superior in their corner or genuinely hurt people for the sake of revenge.
I know exactly what reply I'm going to get from at least one user, so stay tuned!
unfortunately this seems to be the entrenched ethos of the site at this point. i generally stay out of conflicts around identity politics, but since this is an axis of oppression i do actually face (i am ND) i thought it would be a good opportunity to support your point against this tendency. socialism is about breaking down oppressive hierarchies so that we can actually be united as a class and, eventually, as a species overall as class is eroded as a construct. a lot of harmful behavior around here has been given passes (or has even been encouraged) through a moralistic, liberal, not-genuinely-intersectional framework around identity politics & liberation. way back in the late 2024 struggle session, there was an insightful comment that was removed (and then restored) about the pitfalls of tokenistic logic that hexbear often falls into, i wish i had it on hand. (i'd also add that this orientation toward idpol is highly selective on this majority white site: our POC users have often expressed that the site needs to be pulled kicking and screaming to address their concerns, which more often just results in good users giving up and leaving than anything actually being addressed).
the line between "understandable venting about oppression" and "this is genuinely hateful, anti-solidarity garbage" can be a fine one, and i understand the challenges in moderation and fostering site culture within that. i don't know where that line is exactly and things are often case by case. going with the current example of neurodivergence: "i wish NTs were better at understanding X and accommodating Y, and here's why" is obviously great, "NTs are so fucking annoying, ugh" is generally mostly fine within reason, but it's safe to say when you've verged into borderline eugenicist rhetoric you've not only crossed the line but have driven way past it and are disappearing beyond the horizon.
It's literally just incel shit for leftist NDs (and I try not to wave the flag too often, but like, I am so off in the weeds that the psych people think I am either ADD or extremely high functioning ASD or Asperger's, like strange enough that I have at least two studies written with me as one of the central subjects, which made growing up not very fun).
Extremely frustrating. Like, much of the shit coming out of here is stuff I've literally heard Peter Thiel or Elon Musk say on a podcasts.
There's nothing uniquely autistic about "having poor social skills" or "being socially ostracized" since plenty of NDs and plenty of NTs for that matter also have poor social skills and are also socially ostracized. Meanwhile, the vast vocabulary of stims or the hypersensitivities or the tendency to anthropomorphize and emotionally bond with inanimate objects or the fact that autism makes you 4x more likely to be trans or just being a furry in general are almost unique to the autistic experience. Ridiculous self-aggrandizing bullshit like "autists are paragons of morality because autists don't want to say that you look fat in that dress" needs to fucking go.
nah fuck off with that. incels blame women for things that aren't womens' fault or responsibility to fix, while we face structural discrimination that is the fault of the people perpetuating it who do owe us not being bigots.
I think that being isolated by your peers does a lot to warp your opinion of them into unpleasant places. It's most visible within the incel groups, since they are relatively well organized and share common beliefs that turn them into lolcows for the average person, but I see no reason that social isolation should effect people who aren't starting off from a position susceptible to incel adjacent ideas in a substantially different way. In my own experiences with social isolation, I have noticed misanthropic ideas about other people and their motivations spring up with little backing that then require effort to suppress.
I absolutely agree, having suffered the same feelings myself, however, I am going to call it for what it is. I will not validate this stuff, it is reactionary and self-defeating.
I agree. I'm not gonna blame them, in fact I wish I was them, it would make life 200% easier
I don't know if you're talking about sensory sensitivity or something, but a lot of the time when people say this (as in the OOP), they are talking about social circumstances that are overwhelmingly caused by bigotry and lack of education in broader population on this issue and what it can mean to be autistic. Insofar as that is the issue, the problem is not your biology, the problem is society hating people for being born differently, and society can and should be changed.