Maybe this less common context is a good opportunity to consider the vicious moralism and worldviews that are less concerned with making the world a better place or learning how to constructively talk with people and just being reduced to an absolute seething hatred of [social majority] that gravitates toward whatever vapid rhetoric lets one vent the most bile. It's the "ideology" of someone who has given up on socialism in any real sense and just wants to either feel superior in their corner or genuinely hurt people for the sake of revenge.

unfortunately this seems to be the entrenched ethos of the site at this point. i generally stay out of conflicts around identity politics, but since this is an axis of oppression i do actually face (i am ND) i thought it would be a good opportunity to support your point against this tendency. socialism is about breaking down oppressive hierarchies so that we can actually be united as a class and, eventually, as a species overall as class is eroded as a construct. a lot of harmful behavior around here has been given passes (or has even been encouraged) through a moralistic, liberal, not-genuinely-intersectional framework around identity politics & liberation. way back in the late 2024 struggle session, there was an insightful comment that was removed (and then restored) about the pitfalls of tokenistic logic that hexbear often falls into, i wish i had it on hand. (i'd also add that this orientation toward idpol is highly selective on this majority white site: our POC users have often expressed that the site needs to be pulled kicking and screaming to address their concerns, which more often just results in good users giving up and leaving than anything actually being addressed).

the line between "understandable venting about oppression" and "this is genuinely hateful, anti-solidarity garbage" can be a fine one, and i understand the challenges in moderation and fostering site culture within that. i don't know where that line is exactly and things are often case by case. going with the current example of neurodivergence: "i wish NTs were better at understanding X and accommodating Y, and here's why" is obviously great, "NTs are so fucking annoying, ugh" is generally mostly fine within reason, but it's safe to say when you've verged into borderline eugenicist rhetoric you've not only crossed the line but have driven way past it and are disappearing beyond the horizon.

It's literally just incel shit for leftist NDs (and I try not to wave the flag too often, but like, I am so off in the weeds that the psych people think I am either ADD or extremely high functioning ASD or Asperger's, like strange enough that I have at least two studies written with me as one of the central subjects, which made growing up not very fun).

Extremely frustrating. Like, much of the shit coming out of here is stuff I've literally heard Peter Thiel or Elon Musk say on a podcasts.

I don't know if you're talking about sensory sensitivity or something, but a lot of the time when people say this (as in the OOP), they are talking about social circumstances that are overwhelmingly caused by bigotry and lack of education in broader population on this issue and what it can mean to be autistic. Insofar as that is the issue, the problem is not your biology, the problem is society hating people for being born differently, and society can and should be changed.

I think it's just something brains do unconsciously and automatically. You ever "feel" something in your gut? You just "know" something, or it "feels like something is off"? It can't be logically justified, they just feel like something is different about us. Brains hate that.

What pisses me off about it is people not revisiting these snap judgements.

The human brain evolved for group dynamics and social hierarchy over truth and logical thinking, it's instinctual. In the same way you recoil at a hot stove, they judge your social value in an instant. Then, they have to justify why they don't like you so they don't feel like they're a bad person. This is why NTs think NDs are "rude" or "strange." They literally make up shit to make themselves feel better for hating you.

My theory on this is that they expect the social routine to be, well, routine. Societies develop certain unwritten rules for social interactions reinforced through the routines and observations thereof.

So when someone doesn’t fit neatly into the routine and there’s no immediately obvious indication of why (child, someone from outside the culture), their instinct is to disengage, and often assign the lack of following of routine to rudeness. As much as the prevalence of the spectrum has gotten increased attention in recent years, there’s still a piss poor awareness of what social interactions are like for people on the spectrum. The sort of caricatures of people with autism the media tends to present don’t help either.

It's because it isn't a judgement so much as a reflex, instantly processed from environmental cues in the same way that you can tell that someone was just in the room without actually being aware that it came from registering and collating numerous tiny changes. If it were a conscious judgement, then we could simply ask for the reasoning.

We communicate a lot with our environment, and it shapes and defines us in ways that bypass conscious awareness, and then blends in with our sense of self anyway - a self that is patchwork and fuzzy and intermittent, but has a little circuit that makes it think it's a smooth continuum. We don't recognise faces because we see the world and it contains faces. We recognise faces because there's a specialised subsystem that recognises faces and if that subsystem doesn't function then it doesn't matter that we can see them - and if a magic knife cut that subsystem out of my head I would not feel any change. Maybe.

Like many things our brains evolved on the way to sapience, social reflexes aren't necessarily functional in a way that is beneficial to our current circumstances, and wouldn't necessarily present in the same way in the context they arose in. There are way more of us, we interact shallowly and briefly all the time, we're all atomised and alone and afraid and held in the jaws of Capital.

People can learn elsewise. It isn't really in their interests under capitalism, but they might accidentally believe the wrong parts of the liberalism stuff, or stumble across a shared humanity, or just be kinda cool like that.

And it's important to remember that there isn't really such a thing as a (edit: perfectly) neurotypical person, just like there's no average person, and I don't know what I'm talking about.

"NTs and by NTs I actually mean people who don't have autism are only capable of lying unlike us honest autists" is certainly a take.

There's nothing about autism that would prevent someone with autism from lying by omission or lying through self-deception. Just because autism prevents someone from convincingly lying that you don't fat in that dress doesn't mean that people with autism are incapable of much more serious lies.

so many NT people make a game out of "let's see how overtly I can bully this person without them realizing what I'm doing"

Where does this happen? The only examples of this I can think of are when you give a trainee/apprentice wrong information with the intent of having them ask someone a very silly question for fun. Not saying it's not bullying in that scenario but may I ask where else you've experienced it?

The classlessness is what will give them the breathing room to reexamine their first reaction and personally grow like at the end of a TNG episode. Likewise we NDs would be less awkward because less shunned and traumatized in our development.

My hypothesis is that the neurotypicals' miserliness with their curiosity and hypervigilance around hierarchy is massively inflamed by the pressures capital places on them, and the stubborn snap judgments are the honed adaptation of a depleted and degraded creature. I believe staying weirdly judgmental and incurious in a classless society, one that isn't marinating in capitalism's nonstop threats and scarcities, would itself become a greater faux pas.