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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 158 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

Obviously every piece of evidence against is valuable given the unjust world we live in, but I have to think for a moment about how crazy it would be for anyone not currently convinced of his crimes to see this and then suddenly change their mind

[–] NessaSola@eviltoast.org 2 points 7 hours ago

The good thing is that upstanding people can now have more license to morally condemn with full confidence. (You know, like MAGA does constantly without any basis)

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 68 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And to think, we don't even know what could have been covered up or erased during Trump's first term when him and Barr were fully in control of the DOJ/DOC.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Right? We are dealing with the crumbs that are left over after two terms of trump that have come out despite total control of all three branches of the government plus the local jurisdictions in which this stuff occurred plus whatever other state actors were involved in the whole operation. It is a miracle anything made it out of that.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Human beings are bayesian. Nobody changes their mind instantly on almost anything. They collect information and compare it against their internal view of the world and update that view accordingly. Confirmation bias makes us interpret data in a way that more likely agrees with what we already think and believe (yes - all of us - you to dear reader).

A slow steady push of data and facts may change some folks over time. But you can't expect to just flick a switch and see all of MAGA change at once. But nobody reports on that one guy who read this and suddenly thinks "yeah - he probably did something".

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 34 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

To be fair, there IS information that can make you immediately re-evaluate a person.

To me, it was Musk's "pedo guy" rant back in, what was it, '16, '17? Up until then, I thought he was an okay guy, doing tech things to improve humanity in general, and all the negative stuff being just... him being on the spectrum. It took me the moment he started throwing a very heavy accusation around quite baselessly to realise how shitty he is. A singular moment, a singular event, a singular piece of information made me re-evaluate everything I knew about him and see him for the shitstain he is.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What we know now about him begging to go to Pedo Island his choice of accusation makes so much more sense than it did at the time. Just goes to show, insults say a lot more about the insulter than the insultee

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

Oh, yeah, definitely felt more like projection even back then...

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 19 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

And the Nazi salute. The pedo thing made me think he was just a piece of shit. But that confirmed he was also a fascist.

[–] ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 9 points 12 hours ago

That was the point he jumped the shark for me. His Twitter takeover, constant placating of the right and efforts to get Trump re-elected had already pushed him from "edgelord memer and shitposter" to "alt-right nutcase", but the salute immediately jumped him to "irredeemably evil monster".

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 17 points 15 hours ago

Oh, the fascist confirmation came in 2020 + the takeover of Twitter to "give right wing voices the platform they deserve" or whatever absolute pile of bovine faeces he claimed.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

To be fair, there IS information that can make you immediately re-evaluate a person.

Oh - for sure, yeah. I suppose I may have been too absolute in my phrasing. It also depends on where you're coming from. "Seems okay" is a lot closer to "is terrible" than "He's gonna save humanity" is.

I had a similar "I think this guy's doing some cool shit" to "waitaminute - why's he calling some guy trying to save kids a pedophile" moment myself.

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Also crushed whatever goodwill I had toward Tim Urban as a balanced and neutral intellectual in pursuit of a better world through education and truth. Just another paid hack sucking the musky dick.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

The only thing that really matters is what your in-groups believe. Some people consider news sources one of their in-groups, so if they see something in the NYT or The Guardian, they're likely to believe it. But for many people, they only believe their friends and sludge like fox news. You could show them a mathematical proof of something, and if you're out-group, they won't believe you.

For this reason, it's important to talk to our idiot friends and family, because that friendship is the only way to get them back to reality.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

For this reason, it’s important to talk to our idiot friends and family, because that friendship is the only way to get them back to reality.

This is a very important point. Many many people judge the quality of the information they receive based on how much they know and trust the source. Even if they're arguing with you you've still put a thought in their head that may provide enough doubt to change in the future.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 12 hours ago

People try and do that but it doesn't work too well