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Australias response to oil shortages really hammers home that you can't and shouldn't ever expect imperialists and their stooges to ever learn from their mistakes (hexbear.net)

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Patented Dort_Owl unhinged rant that goes way off track incoming:

Australias response to the country potentially being fucked by oil prices? Is it "man we should have invested in clean energy more"?

Nope! It's "We should have produced more fossil fuels at home! We need more oil and coal plants here in Australia!"

These people are a lost cause, they will never ever stop. They are trained in the hustle grind art of not changing their minds even after they're beaten over the head with reality

So when people do their little song and dance of trying to reason or compromise with these mindless sharks it doesn't work. It will never work. No amount of begging with your peaceful protests and your pleading to be rational will change their minds. Nothing will ever change their minds. I'm not even sure they have minds. They're more like dumb animals responding to social dominance stimuli than anyone capable of rational thought. No wonder peaceful protests don't work. When a dominant male lion starts acting like an asshole the lionesses don't ask him nicely to come around to their way of thinking, they chase that fucker out of the pride and if he doesn't leave, they kill him

This is why we shouldn't have systems that reward this type of "I got where I am by being a big dog because I like power" lizard brained types. Because humans should know better by now. We don't have the luxury of letting some mindless sharks in control of things like fossil fuels and nukes

Save your reasoning skills for when we have reasonable people in control of things

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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Practically everyone I've spoken to in the last few weeks has been really mad the government hasn't done anything to actually deal with the crisis, and it looks like the media will use their incompetency to ensure the libs or maybe even something like One Nation ends up winning the election over do-nothing Labor. They might even hold an emergency election or something to try and kick Labor out, because it isn't enough that they do nothing, they need to be replaced with someone who will do everything to make things even worse but blame the problems on immigrants or "the left" or something and get glazed in the press for it.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And it fucking sucks because the far-right parties will offer the most ghoulish and self destructive solutions (like doing more fossil fuel bs) and they'll win because they're offering some kind of action even if it's terrible action.

This is why professional losers like Dems in the US or Labor here and in the UK are so dangerous. Being the "lesser of two evils" by doing nothing can empower the worst kinds of fuckers to get power in the long run

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

Yeah, they know what they're doing, they know they're controlled opposition, they don't care as long as they personally benefit from it.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I thought one nation was mostly eating up libnat turf?

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but it seems like the Murdoch media has been favouring them over the liberals lately, so they might try and push them as the "alternative" to the two old stale parties.

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What would you like to see Labor do?

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Confined to just this alone removing the american boot from their throats and aligning with other middle powers for starters

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How do you propose the Australian PM does this?

I’m not trying to be facetious here but your criticism of the Labor party really doesn’t acknowledge the political reality Australia is in.

If any PM attempted to extract Australia from the USA without Australia having nuclear weapons capable of reaching mainland USA Australia would eventually be invaded by the USA or at the very least bombed similar to Iran.

While it’s a nice sentiment to want to reduce USAs influence in Australia (I strongly agree) it’s not really an actionable step without first having the means to defend ourselves against an aggressor who has significantly greater military power.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

We would just not, like there's no way they're interested or capable of doing that.

It's difficult to know what is possible because much is behind the scenes but like aukus is never going to deliver subs, or at least none capable of being operated independently, so one option is to try realign on that with Europe/Canada. Closer ties to China are possible, we're already heavily economically integrated.

Threatening usa access out of Darwin is significant for their military strategy, so is pine gap, which gives Australia leverage while making new alliances.

Cancelling data centre approvals threatens the usa stock market (a fucking huge number are being shoved down our throat), regulating usa tech would also make them unhappy.

Military strategy could explore drones as defensive weapons, there's a lot of australia to hide them in and launch from to repel any aggression.

There are levers to lean on in order to withdraw from entanglement and secure more favourable terms while building ties with e.g. canada, france etc which is still somewhat palettable to the racist public.