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[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think the fundamental problem is that people had different expectations for a game set in space, both because Bethesda stoked them (all of that talk of having the idea decades ago / first new franchise in however many years / Microsoft bought the company just to get it as an exclusive / etc) and because after No Man's Sky people kind of expected that with their budget / resources they would manage to fix that game's problems and create something richer + more seamless.

In retrospect, if they'd simply sold it as "Skyrim in Space," admitted to the limitations up front - same underlying engine, limited amount of variety to procedurally-generated content, loading screens instead of seamless takeoff/landing, etc - and not pretended that it was something new, the response would have probably been much more uniformly positive.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

But they kind of already did say most of that stuff.

They said long before the game came out that there was no seamless takeoff/landing. They said they upgraded their Creation Engine for Starfield, AFAIK they never said it was entirely new.

Either way, I like it. Its fun.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Either way, I like it. Its fun.

And that's great! I think we're mostly talking about the people who are whinging about it. People who are enjoying it, let em enjoy it.

[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Hmm, I missed that about seamless takeoff/landing. But as @dingus mentions, you can use cutscenes and animations and other things to make that feel more immersive / continuous even if they are temporarily dropping you out of the engine.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The setting lowered my expectations. Modern sci-fi has this weird obsession with being sterile and boring. Compared to the magical fantasy of Elder Scrolls and the zany retro-futurism of Fallout, it was guaranteed to be boring.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

I think you're on the right track, but I think it's also because recent games did better with similar ideas. People shat all over Mass Effect Andromeda, but it hid loading screens behind interplanetary and FTL travel that was actually visualized. In my brain, I know they're cutscenes to cover for loading data, but it's enough to take you out of it being a "game" and allowing you to suspend your disbelief. It's hard to suspend disbelief when there's a loading screen constantly in front of you.

[-] HelixTitan@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but you can do the same thing in Star Field, just takes a bit of learning. You get the exact same cut scenes for loading even, ala Mass Effect. The reality is the game offers fast travel, as essentially jumping 5 times and loading and seeing the cut scenes is the same thing as just loading to the end.

This game feels more like a test, do you actually want to explore, or do you want to hop point to point for the quest. You can do either. It just seems to offer fast travel as the first option, but you can take the slow way around too

[-] theterrasque@infosec.pub 12 points 11 months ago

after No Man's Sky people kind of expected that with their budget / resources they would manage to fix that game's problems and create something richer + more seamless

That was basically what I hoped for. NMS type game, but with Skyrim/ fallout level modding, stories, quests and deeper meaning to it.

And with better procgen. They have the manpower and expertise to do that.

I haven't bought the game yet, waiting to see the initial responses. Now.. I'll probably pick it up on sale sometime, when bugs are fixed and there's solid mods.

[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 6 points 11 months ago

I mean, it is extremely polished. I have encountered a total of 2 bugs over my entire playtime. By this time in fallout 4 I lost track of the number of bugs I saw, things jittering atound, people's faces acting wonky, nome of that here.

[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Honestly I still think waiting to buy a Bethesda game is smart if you aren't a huge fan or something. Skyrim was pretty crap at launch and all the praise it gets now is mostly referring to Skyrim well after launch when patches and mods turned it into something good.

[-] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

I played Skyrim at launch and it was great.

Mods added another level to the game but I can happily play the game without.

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