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Tyson Foods and the federal government refuse to show their math for a new sustainability label.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately it goes back further than that. We knew anthropogenic climate change was a thing in the late 1800s, and the oil companies started doing the research in the early 1900s. They knew by 1910 that they were flirting with disaster. Which just allows everyone to say, "nope, not changing anything personally, because those decisions were made before I was born."

I agree that it's unfair that we have to modify our consumption when it makes so little impact. Hopefully meat in vats is actually better for the environment, but I'm not counting on it for the first generation. It is finally being served in a couple restaurants so that's a first step

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It has nothing to do with fairness. Modifying consumption at an individual level doesn't help and isn't even a step to solving the problem. It's literally propaganda to shift blame and make sure nothing is ever done to address the issue.

If you're relying on individuals you may as well just give up. There needs to be systemic change forced by legislation.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Modifying consumption at the individual level unintentionally creates boycotts that the local consumer isn't even aware they are involved in. This compounds when the local consumer happens to be an upper manager, because they will carry their biases against corporations, such as Nestlé, into the corporate world, and continue their own boycott of services that are undesirable.

Again, totally unfair to the individual since we carry so little responsibility, but we also carry the ability to crush corporations that refuse to follow the people's will. Look a bit deeper into why Enron, or Sears-Roebuck collapsed. You'll find that your real power is burying corporations that have no value.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Modifying individual consumption is literally the only viable solution. It just cannot be voluntary.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That was sort of my point. I guess it would be better stated as putting the decision making at the individual level doesn't help, or something like that.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Then it isn't propaganda meant to shift blame.

Blaming "the top x%" of corporations is effective propaganda that does shift blame.

People are going to fight carbon taxation, even with a dividend, and if they think "just go after the rich" will help, we'll never get it.

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