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Yes, because that worked so perfectly for Hong Kong. 🤥
I bet China would embrace such a deal happily even with eager, wait a few years, and then force full integration.
Musk is such an idiot, that I lack words to describe it. He has been convinced (bribed) by China to spew shit in all directions regarding Ukraine and Taiwan, he is 100% an undeclared foreign agent of the worst kind.
He has a clear financial interest due the Tesla factories in China and the amount of cars sold there.
Yes, and I bet China is leveraging that, and Musk falls for it.
But I doubt it surpasses USA and Europe combined. Which should be his real interests, and probably would be, if we used similar methods the Chinese do.
According to this Tesla's sales breaks down like this in 2022:
That's a significant chunk of its business.
Yes absolutely, although I see the numbers slightly different:
The graph says USA 41, China 18, other 23 billion USD. That translates to:
USA is higher than I expected, but still USA and Europe are way more important combined than China from that graph. So maybe Musk shouldn't rely so much on China, if he wants to look out for his own interests.
I rounded for the sake of argument. If you look at the overall trend you'll also see that China is the biggest growth market. Why would you think for one moment that any company would cut off their second biggest market which also has the biggest growth?
Fair enough on the rounding, and I wouldn't expect him to cut off a valuable market, except his actions could mean cutting off the actual biggest markets, and there is no guarantee China will continue their growth rate in the future.
And is it really necessary for him to be a shill for China to make business there? I'd expect just shutting up would suffice.
I'd say he is compromised to gain an advantage.
That one is easy: yes.
If he wants to do some real business in there, he also needs to break some laws so they can ~~blackmail~~ hold him in check and take away his business in case he ever refuses to follow orders.
Also: most Teslas destined to the European market are made in China
Don't be silly, China is a democratic country... they would hold a vote, like they did with HongKong: 99% for, 1 against. Totally democratic. 🤫
It's really sad, because China was making good progress before Xi Jinping became president.
~~president~~ dictator
Arguably, Hong Kong is more democratic today than when it was administered as a colony under the British Crown.
Under British rule, the Queen appointed a governor of Hong Kong, who himself appointed virtually the entire legislative branch. They did not have elections.
Today 20 out of 90 legislative seats are elected, and from my limited understanding is essentially governed under a system evolved from British rule.
You'd think Americans of all people would also hate British Rule.
CCP is probably worse than British rule.
Might need to double check British history if you actually think that. The British Empire was comically evil
Not by the time the CCP became a thing though.
The UK wanted to introduce full democracy in Hong Kong prior to the handover to China in 1997. China's response was to threaten to send in the tanks.
Hong Kong has zero democracy today, the majority of the Legco seats are unelected, and those that are elected, Beijing nominated all the candidates.
I think both are bad. I don't care if it's "slightly better" they shouldn't be occupied. Full stop.