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Ukraine's Alternate Win Condition: Inside the Gamble on the War of Attrition (www.youtube.com)
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[–] CanadaPlus 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

No, I think outright resolution is the goal here. There's no reason to cede territory if they don't have to and aren't guaranteed peace; Ukraine is a big flat place with very little in the way of naturally defensible areas.

but giving it up might also be a welcome symbol in a turn away from imperialism.

Sorry to contradict you again, but nobody (significant) really wants to turn away from imperialism at this point. Navalny just wants a different imperialism, яблоко (the liberal, pro-Western party) is fairly irrelevant.

[–] andyburke@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] CanadaPlus 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It appears he's a journalist who has been living in the West since the early 'oghts, so not a significant person in internal Russian politics.

[–] andyburke@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One becomes a significant person in politics by writing things like this. This is a Russian politician who is saying the things you want. Was only trying to help make sure you are aware.

[–] CanadaPlus 3 points 2 years ago

Oh, okay. I do know that not all Russians buy in. Just the vast majority (for now, most people aren't that ideological).

[–] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right, it's kind of impossible to rule over a territory as large, populated by tribes as diverse as Russia, without some kind of iron fisted imperialism.

Chinese history under dynasties of brutal emperors, and now the brutal Chinese Communist Party, is also a testament to that.

I'd personally prefer to have Russia's internal security, i.e. their internal occupying forces, weakened enough by being trashed in Ukraine for multiple ethnic republics to break off and chart their own path.

Navalny's like the Emmanuel Goldstein character in 1984: Demonized token opposition who's just ineffective enough to let live. I know I know, they tried to poison him even...

This is as opposed to Prigozhin, who was immediately assassinated on showing some worthwhile opposition.

[–] CanadaPlus 2 points 2 years ago

I'm much more optimistic about democracy coexisting with diversity than you, but yeah, it doesn't look possible in the short term in Russia.