We're pretty much in the "find out" phase at this point. It's not pointless to make an effort to improve the world, but the reality is more and more people are so focused on trying to survive that there's no energy left.

I turn 44 next month, and the most purchasing power I've had was on the first day of my first job a month after 9/11. Newspaper editing was in retrospect a poor industry to go into, but what we faced starting 15 years ago is now what everybody's facing: the industries willing to pay for experience are niche, those jobs are only available if you met the right people in college, and everyone else is expected to smile and pay more than half their wages to housing.

I know every generation thinks they have things uniquely bad, but for those younger than me, the '80s and '90s were an era where people still bought a house to live in, not as a way to make money in three years. Starter homes were still being built. That's what we were told to expect. Work your ass off in your 20s and 30s, fix your housing costs and enjoy the income experience nets you.

It's a farce. My annual raise this year vis-a-vis my rent increase has left me with a singularly shitty choice: food or rent. No, I shouldn't have to get a roommate decades into my career. No, I shouldn't need a side hustle. Those are the options people immediately jump to, which comes with a starting proposition of: you don't deserve the basics your landlord did.

Fuck that. I'm not renewing my apartment lease. I'll find a vehicle I can live in and deal with the hassles of that instead of the first $20K a year I make after taxes and after insurance going to someone who got into the property market while it was about places to live instead of gambling.

I relay all this because the answer I found is not participating in the parts of society that will never benefit me. The only way I've found to lessen the existential dread is to question more and more assumptions that were fed to me growing up.

I don’t know that it will be ok, but I’m certain it will be different. I see the US emotionally and culturally sliding down the same slope that Russia is going down. I figure they’re 10-15 years ahead of us.

Remember how excited we all were when the Berlin Wall fell? We had that Jesus Jones song roaring in our souls.

There is a wave of negativity and helplessness being thrown at us. We are being driven to be passive, to shrug our shoulders and go buy something to give our lives meaning. Our helpless selfishness feeds profits for others.

We must disengage from that helpless/selfish/profit way of life. It will destroy us. It will eat us up from the inside and leave us hollow and empty.

That doesn’t mean we have to move off-grid and become self-sufficient hermits. It can be as simple as learning to mend our clothes so we don’t buy as many new ones, and not buying into the shame of wearing mended clothes. (Visible mending is punk as fuck.) It can be as simple as saying thank you to cashiers, holding the door for that overloaded mother at the doctor’s office, giving others the benefit of the doubt. (Kindness is punk as fuck, too.) It can be as fulfilling and challenging as joining or creating a knitting group or live music jam or walking club. (Community is also punk as fuck.)

game theory only works for a zero game

Traditional game theory did, current game theory doesn't

This situation has some similarities with the Prisoners dilemma, although not entirely

You are right about all of that, and particularly the first one is actually an immediate advantage. We had a flourishing renewable energy industry in Germany ~15 years ago. With a little subsidy we could have been technological leaders.

Unfortunately, the conservative politicians at the time were "advised" (bribed) by "industry leaders" from coal and nuclear industry, and saving existing jobs by pumping money up their asses was the better strategy to secure the next election than creating thousands of new jobs by supporting the new industries.

The second one (lab meat), but I expect there will be a lot of in-fight between environmentalists, some opposing it for not being natural and others embracing it for being environment friendly. In the EU, there isn't even a permission requested to be able to sell it.

The younger generation might be more motivated, but they have the same problem if they save resources, others will waste it in their place.

The disaster in India doesn't change anything, it just proves what we already knew. The numbers are shocking to a rational thinker, but emotional stories like the Titan submarine still grab the headlines.

I think the main problems are the fully industrialised nations, but developing nations are catching up, and they won't want to be held back in their development by wealthy nations telling them to.

Some suggestions that might actually help, huh? Novel idea, that. Not trying to put you down, It was more of a comment about what the rest of this conversion's been about.

I think you are pretty much right on in your reasoning and we need more people to realize this and get angry enough to demand action. Even the most stubborn denialists will start to figure out that there is something not quite right about the weather phenomena we are seeing more and more frequently and with larger amplitudes than ever before. Question is if they realize soon enough. Because some serious action needs to happen like yesterday if we want to stop this. As much as I would like to implement space communism, it is a tough sell and it it needs to happen slowly. Otherwise we'll just be making another Stalin/Mao-type society and that's not really ideal to say the least. Regardless of what the tankies in lemmygrad would have us believe. I don't really have an easy solution on hand, I'm pretty much winging it as I go. Easy solutions to complex problems rub me the wrong way as well, even if they are an easier sell. This is why it is so important to have discussions like this. Crowd-source a solution, if you will. But mainly to raise awareness and gain buy-in from as many people as possible. Corporations been pretty successful in dumping all the responsibility on us and therefore avoiding a lot of costs in cleaning up. Take bottles for example. In the later Cambrian period when I was young, soda came in glass bottles and soda companies were responsible for the whole life cycle of the bottle. This is a lot more expensive than letting the customers take the responsibility for the trash, but more importantly, they're off the hook for all the plastic bottles that's dumped everywhere. They can even have campaigns telling us to be responsible with the trash they produce and not having to deal with it themselves. Win-win. We need to shift the responsibility back to the corporations again. Don't fall for the old "we just give customers what they want"-routine. It is just trying to shift the blame for their lack of responsibility while producing the goods we buy. I'd they can't make their products without fucking the world up, they shouldn't make them at all. I'm quoting from memory here, so correct me when I'm wrong. Just one hundred companies are responsible for over 30%(?) of the world's CO2 emissions and they tell us we need to save the world by recycling? Give me a break. And ducking (autocorrect, but I'm keeping it) abolish Citizens United already. The US isn't a democracy even on paper anymore.

Slightly off topic - I saw a pretty interesting video by Abagail of Philosophy tube about the morality and legality of protests and the examples that were used was based on a protest on a coal mine in Germany some years ago. This is likely preaching to the quire in this community, but if you've not seen Philosophy tube before, you really should check it out. I'm a proud patron there, myself. 😊 Sorry to make you use google to find it, but that's how lazy I am. To come clean, some of the butchered points above may originally be from her. I think. I have a terrible memory for who said what.