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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 62 points 11 months ago

James plans to call Trump and his adult sons to the stand during the trial, according to a list of witnesses the AG has filed with the court.

You get called to the stand, you go on the stand.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Almost no one bothers because nearly everyone would plead the fifth. It's expected in court as the defendant.

I guess they're banking on Trump being that self important.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 80 points 11 months ago

Fifth or not, if he gets called to the stand, he goes on it. Then he gets to sit there and make his own decisions, under oath, about how to respond to questions.

In a criminal case, "jurors cannot get information about a defendant's refusal to answer questions or go on the witness stand in their defense." But this is a civil case. "The protections you have in criminal prosecutions when taking the fifth do not apply in a civil case. A jury [or the judge, in this case] is free to make an adverse inference if you plead the fifth in a civil trial."

Call him up.

[-] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

And I believe things that come to light as a result can lead to further civil and criminal charges?

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago

Oh of course - that would be the case whether it was civil or criminal. New information comes to light that reveals additional crimes or liabilities, AG would need to look at whether those are prosecutable.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

I’m sure that every insurance company, bank, and business that he defrauded using these fraudulent claims is going to want go after him.

[-] thisbenzingring 6 points 11 months ago

There's only one bank that will do business with him as it is....

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I did Nazi that coming

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This trial will have no jurors. It’s just the lawyers, the Trumps, a few related parties, and the judge.

Edit: I tried to find a source, but I’m on mobile, however I read it in one of the previous articles discussing this.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

That doesn't change the nature of the Fifth Amendment in relation to a civil case. When it is a bench trial, the judge is the juror.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

oh, I know. however, the judge is far less likely to be swayed by the Trump’s “Trumpiness” than even your average New York juror given their previous rulings in the case and their complete lack of patience with their lawyers’ arguments thus far.

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 3 points 11 months ago
[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

lol, as I said, I’m on mobile. oops!

fixed now

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

All they have to do is put him on the stand and say something like “the libs say you’re the worst at dodging taxes, that you pay so much tax you practically give it away to poor people” to which he’d go on a 17 minute tirade about how he doges taxes bigger than anyone in the world and it’s all political and ok to do because he very smart man.

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Just ask him who has the best golf courses, the most luxurious, the most valuable. Or maybe who's the best at avoiding taxes...

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The 5th works differently in a civil trial in a really important way. In a civil case the jury is allowed to assume he's guilty when he pleads the 5th.

The prosecution could say something like "Wow. You are pleading the 5th to A LOT of these questions. That looks really bad. Undoubtedly you know this. Yet you seem to have determined that providing an answer would be even worse for you."

Or something like that. I'm not a lawyer.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I wish all proceedings like this were recorded.

this post was submitted on 28 Sep 2023
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