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Is it still a hate crime if they were wrong about the person's identity? Imo it should be.
If you committed a crime because of the perception of an individual falling under a protected class, it should qualify as a hate crime. I believe this is considered a bias incident and it is treated as a hate crime in NYC.
Of course it qualifies as a hate crime. Hate crime legislation is entirely about what you think inside your head as you commit some other crime - hence the word "hate".
Hate with your head, not with your hands,
otherwise you'll be picking from commissary plans.
It's not entirely about what you think, it can also be about what any reasonable person might think. You could genuinely think you're just joking, but if it's so bad that no one else would reasonably think it was a joke you could still be found guilty.
That is good to hear. Hopefully this cunt will be in prison for a huge chunk of their life.
No, no. A cunt has depth and warmth and I don't think the attacker in this case has either.
This is the best comment I have seen on lemmy so far.
One of my standard two comments on the use of that word.
The other one is about the ability to take a pounding.
So in a conversation about someone commiting a hate crime based on someones genetalia you decide to use a term specifically used to debase people by calling them female genetalia and it seems people even upvote you for it. Great. And you even think you are being supportive.
Don’t be such a cunt.
Ooh la la doth my language offend you so? Please accept my humblest apologies my lord/lady!
look, it's a word most american women don't hear directed at themselves outside of really hateful or abusive contexts. i have been called "bitch" in the grocery store. i was called "cunt" by my abuser, and only by him.
the person who challenged you has a good point - the use of that word in american culture is intended to be particularly dehumanizing and degrading to women.
compare - if you had used "n..." you would have likely been challenged there as well, regardless of your intent in using that word or your own identity.
Go back to Facebook.
That word is used as a generic colorful adjectives in the UK, and are considered gender-neutral there.
IIRC NY is a transfer of intent state, that is to say if you intended to kill X person but fucked up and killed Y person instead, you're still guilty of 1st degree murder, because you still intended to do a murder
That's a cool tidbit to know. What did it have to do with this story? Where did the transfer take place?
Man intended to hate crime a trans woman but was wrong about the woman being trans
Thanks, makes sense now
I'm sorry, asking questions isn't something you like? Go crawl back under your rock, troll.