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Kick tankies out of 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 10 months ago by Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

All of your fears of tankies throwing you in the gulag are predicated on some sort of revolution happening. Do you really think that’s imminent?

Irrelevant. Utterly irrelevant. The proper revolution requires there to be no people who would put people in gulags, or people who would need to be put into gulags. Advocating for, justifying, or excusing gulags in the name of the revolution thus is counterrevolutionary. And yes it's not imminent, it's beyond several horizons. (inb4 you call me gradualist and think that's an insult).

There’s no class consciousness in the US, there isn’t likely to be any anytime soon

Largely because McCarthyism, the perpetuation of which tankies play right into with their Soviet nostalgia and authoritarian state capitalism. If in 50 years files get declassified and it turns out that the US government has been pushing tankie idiology and structures as some kind of COINTELPRO operation to disparage the broader left I wouldn't be surprised. The consequences of you actions, man, have a look at them.

[-] regul@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

The proper revolution requires there to be no people who would put people in gulags

Talk about irrelevant. You yourself recognize it's not happening anytime soon. So explain why any of this matters. Go do what you can to help your community. There's no revolution coming, so we should all just be doing what we can to ameliorate the effects of capitalism. If it's your hobby to have little arguments online that's fine (it's one of my hobbies too!), but don't pretend you're actually laying the groundwork for anything.

You think the reason there's no class consciousness in the US is because tankies enjoy Soviet aesthetics? Buddy that's not even top 50 on the list. Fucking Marvel movies are higher on the list of reasons why there's no class consciousness in the US than the online weirdos who wear ushankas.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

So explain why any of this matters.

I already did. Somewhat curiously, you ignored it all in favour of dreaming up a point about fucking aesthetics (that's not what nostalgia means) and... hats. Which aren't even Soviet, the general idea (ie. hat with ears) existed since practically forever from Russia to the Balkans and Scandinavia, the current form was thought up by the white army, and the red army refused to copy it until getting their asses kicked in the winter war, finally realising that reciting Marx doesn't keep soldiers warm.