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[-] Deft@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

wrong

The president acted as he did and the system of checks and balances played a role.

He is absolutely allowed to do that. It is not "illegal"

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

He isn't going to be put in jail or anything no. He attempted to use a power he does not have. If the president wants this program to become a thing, an act of congress is required.

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I mean, he's literally not. That's the whole point of the ruling.

What he did was deemed "illegal" by the court, which means he can't do it...

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The amount of mental gymnastics this court has used to strike down years of precedent is insane. Can anyone actually still look at their rulings anymore and genuinely say that they aren't just making rulings based on their personal beliefs and bias? Tomorrow it will be illegal to own gold fish if they decided that was in the bible.

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

There's no mental gymnastics in this one. You just don't agree with them.

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Oh honey, Kavanaugh literally made a ruling about a week ago that contradicts this one. But yeah. You're actually right. They didn't use mental gymnastics. They were too lazy for even that. They're just saying no and contradicting themselves with almost zero justification as to why.

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Yea, i mean, if you can't read, i could certainly see how you could conflate the two cases. But they're not the same. So...

Dumb point.

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What? I didn't conflate them. I said the foundational arguments contradict each other and thus their own precedent.

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Yea, but that's the thing. You're saying that doesn't mean it's true. And if you can read, you'll understand why they came to two separate decisions in two separate cases that have totally different underlying facts.

But, you know... You seem to either be ABLE to read and choose not to, or you are just saying shit to say shit without having read anything.

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"States can't sue the government just over 'indirect' harm from a federal policy" is literally applicable to both. Are you unable to extrapolate that information outside of the context of a single case? Does precedent mean absolutely nothing to you? because it sure doesn't to the supreme court anymore.

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, you clearly aren't capable, because you think these two cases are the same and they're not.

You can repeat that ad nauseam, and it still won't be true.

Just say you're upset at the ruling, and you have no idea what you're talking about beyond that and move on.

[-] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Two things don't need to be EXACTLY THE SAME to follow the same logic. How do you not get that?

[-] SmurfDotSee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

How do you not get that they AREN'T the same logic....

You keep insisting it's the same logic, and it's not. I even bolded the pertinent part for you that explains why it's NOT the same logic.

Jfc.

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