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Most people who do small crime like this do so because of the material pressure capitalism puts on them. The actual evil criminals are the few privileged ultra rich people who steal unbelievable amounts from the public despite already having way more than enough, like Trump, Bezos and Musk for example. Those are the real criminals.
When my parents got their car stolen, the robber used it for a joy ride and proceeded to crash it. I don't disagree that there are other places to put blame, but car theft I don't think is as financially motivated as something like stealing food or catalytic converters.
I somehow came across wrong I guess. I in fact do very much condemn non rich people stealing from other non rich people. Instead they should unite and fight the power.
M8 this is grand theft and while i agree in that fuck ultra rich people, this has nothing to do with that, the thief returned the child so that he wouldnt be hunted down for child kidnapping and car stealing is probably the thiefs lifestyle rather than a temporary hustle forced by rampant capitalism.
Stealing a car is grand theft, so not really a small crime.
Seems like people don't get your joke :D I liked it
In my book stealing a car is a small crime. We are not talking about stealing the horse of someone who's life depends on it in the old west but just a piece of Detroit trash. So no matter how a car fetishistic law system sees it, I still consider it a small crime.
The system might suck ass, but having your car stolen isn't a small fucking inconvenience. Many people who get their car stolen are one big event, such as having their car stolen, away from being in serious financial trouble. You can lose your job because you can't get to work. I know a contractor who had his truck stolen with all his tools in it. He was basically fucked. We're not always talking about someone having their third BMW stolen. It's often easier to steal a beater car than a fancy one. Fuck car thieves. You're defending poor people stealing from people one incident away from being poor themselves. If we were talking about stealing from rich people or big businesses it's one thing. Stealing cars is likely hurting individuals who may or may not themselves be economically distressed.
And being one incident away from colapse is normal ? That again is a crime made by the ultra wealthy. No one should loose everything because of a single problem yet they keep us on leashes by keeping us on the edge of loosing everything so we keep working for peanuts. Eat the billionaires ! Stop defending a broken system.
This is like saying it's not bad to break someone's foot because someone else already broke their leg.
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In many countries people don't even need cars, the main problem you are unconsciously describing is the car obsessed US american traffic infrastructure. Of course it sucks when someone steals your car but that is still an incredibly tiny crime compared to what millionaires and billionaires are doing to millions of people and the ecosystem everyday.
I think both of you are arguing about different things. You are saying it's a tiny crime relative to what billionaires do, which is true. But the other person is saying it is absolutely not a tiny crime from the perspective of a victim whose livelihood depends on their car being available. Yes it is a class war, but at the same time it doesn't mean we can't denounce a "petty" crime like stealing a car just because both parties are in the same economic class.
No argument from me there, I agree with all of what you just wrote. I just meant to point out the ratio of stealing a car vs stealing from millions of workers by exploiting them every day.
YOU were the one who said it was Detroit? If so these people need their cars. Other than in the main part of the city, you can't get to anything without a car. Your original comment made a valid point but beyond that you just refuse to accept nuance. It doesn't matter that America would be better without the car infrastructure when that's not the reality we live in.
But I said:
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Even here in car-centric Atlanta, I'd be more upset if somebody stole my cargo e-bike than if they stole one of my cars.
Naturally, source: I´m a bike mechanic specialized in cargo bikes. I´d choose a Bullit or an Omnium before a car anytime :)
Mine's just a relatively-humble Lectric XPedition, but I still love the thing more than any of my cars (which is saying a lot, 'cause I'm also a car enthusiast). It would also immediately impact my daily routine in a way that theft of one of my rarely-driven project cars would not.
(The other issue is that I ought to go check and adjust my insurance policies, because I suspect my out-of-pocket replacement costs would be higher for the bike than the cars.)
There are plenty of things to hate about capitalism but that doesn't justify this their causing actual harm to real people. We can sit back and forth and discuss theoretical harm that the system causes but in the real world, we are forced to participate in it and should try reducing the actual visible harm caused by a thief stealing this family's likely most expensive possession.
If you have ever been curious why socialists don't win election and why people cling to punitive reactionaries, It's because ideology being put above pragmatism by so many leftists. If I'm struggling antiwork and fuckcars rhetoric on social media don't pay my bills. So we are never going to get the support needed to reform the system if we justify violence against the people forced to participate in it.
I never meant to advocate for violence and I very much condemn non rich people stealing or using violence against one another. Somehow my main point about the magnitudes of different kinds of crime must have come across wrong, apologies if I did not make myself clear enough.
Pure ignorance. For some people having their car stolen is EXACTLY what you're describing.
if someone stole my car and it was never found not only would i have to say goodbye to my savings i would also be sad because i love my car
I don't believe Trump is rich. The enormous moron he is, he likely squandered all his inherited wealth. Now he is just lying because he wants to keep the rich man status to impress his cult.