the_dunk_tank

Furthermore there are people who believe that universal moral goods should be enforced by the state who will argue with people who haven’t thought about that conclusion of their lines of thought.

But this is the part that matters. No matter what I think, I in no way want to enforce it on anyone else. At "worst" I'd ask someone to consider my point of view when making their decision.

Most people here treat anti-natalism as an ideology, and therefore determined to force people not to have kids. But it absolutely does not have to be that or anything close.

good luck getting anybody to listen when you say that. I think it's wrong to cheat on an intimate partner or fart in a crowded elevator too, but there's very obviously no way to have any legal enforcement of those mores.

i have no illusions of antinatalism becoming a majority opinion. people are going to keep having kids because they don't think about it or have the reactionary belief that putting someone in harm's way is OK, or because they were denied choice, and we should do our best to minimize the suffering of everyone forced to live, that is: working toward the abolition of capitalism, class, money, and the state.