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So if it's not a mass shooting, we should be fine with it, that's the angle?
An example from the article:
So, yes, apparently. Fuck guns.
So basically “black people commit more violence” is what this is trying to say.
What a useless, trashy, racist article
Basically, white incels aren't the main contributors to school shooting statistics.
Why does acknowledging this upset you?
I still don't see the distinction.
Rather I see what seems like an arbitrary distinction. The authors are trying to make. What I don't see is why that distinction is relevant.
From the quote that was provided to you:
There needs to be a distinction so that it can be more appropriately and efficiently prevented.
Because the solutions look different.
"take away the guns" would solve for both
But that doesn’t remove the impetus for violence. Preventing school violence requires more than simply removing the weapons for violence.
Sure, but there's still a difference between school violence with guns and school violence with fists
Typically, the opportunity to get a gun. But the violence that motivates either is typically the same. That’s why school violence prevention is, itself, typically the same, regardless of how it may end.
"My son got beat up in school today"
"My son got shot and killed in school today"
It's the guns. It's always been the guns. And that's why this country is uniquely dealing with this problem. It's not hard to see it, unless you don't want to.
Stopping violence before either of those things happens is the point. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather neither of those happen. 
Taking the nihilist and defeatist attitude that one of those must happen, and therefore we must settle for it with half-measures meant only to prevent the other is bullshit. 
Restricting access to guns is specifically achievable (see also: most of the rest of the world) and would save many lives.
In tandem, sure let's work on preventing violence in general. I'm all in favor, but achieving this semi-utopian goal seems far more challenging.
Nobody said it wouldn’t be difficult, but it’s better than putting up with a bullied child— or a dead one.
Schools should be safe spaces for children to learn, not battlefields to navigate.
Then restrict gun ownership. It's the most rational action which can be taken to stop American classrooms being stained by blood.
But... I know I am just venting. I know this isn't going to happen. Millions of Americans are demonstrably fine with other people losing their little girl or boy, their small bodies torn apart by bullets, just so they can have a gun for whatever reason. It's just the way it is, sadly.
Obviously, gun ownership should be restricted. What I’m saying, is that should be one part of a multifaceted approach  to address the many types of school violence. But my point here is that regulating gun ownership does not address the root cause of school violence, only a symptom. 
Judging by the downvote brigade whenever somebody argues for gun control, which also plagues Reddit, it seems not so obvious to many.
Might not be what you’re saying, but how you’re saying it
Perhaps. I think it's pretty obvious no matter how it's phrased, or who posts it, comments critical of unrestricted gun ownership typically get downvoted without a lot of replies. At least you are engaging and we're having a conversation.
It might partially solve for it, by reducing severity of these acts, but guns are really just a means to violence. There are plenty of other ways to enact violence if that's what you want to do.
The fact that guns are easy to get, easy to use, and are a means to extreme, and usually fatal violence is a huge factor to consider in the increase in the violence they contribute to.  Not all weapons are created equal, and the type of weapon they are cannot be weighed equally to other weapons when calculating how each type of weapon contributes to violence. And especially considering the fact that most lethal violence that is committed is committed with a gun. 
No, that's just a distraction the ruling class throws at us to prevent us from addressing the real issue: the disparity in wealth.
Sweden has a higher wealth inequality index than the United States. Strange, how that doesn't lead to an epidemic of school shootings without unfettered access to guns.
Bad example. Sweden is currently suffering the worst gun violence of any scandinavian country.
I know. It's still way better than the US. Because guns are a bigger factor than wealth disparity, mental health care, social homogeneity, or anything else which is typically pointed to by people who value their access to guns more than other's lives.
Are you asserting that school shootings are caused by wealth inequality? Do you have any data to back that up? 
No the person I'm replying to is.
While it may be a factor, I'm pointing out America is by no means unique in having these problems, such as wealth inequality. In fact all the problems so often touted as the cause for gun violence are not unique to America. The main exception is the incredible proliferation of guns and the lax regulations surrounding them.
But many Americans love their guns, as long as they don't have to pay the price in blood for it, they'll continue blaming other factors..
No they’re not, they just said that was a distraction.
It's a specious argument.
How did you get that? Did we read the same article?
We should be angry about the media narrative pushed by some that banning guns that look scary and limiting magazine sizes will do anything.
This shows that teaching non-violent conflict resolution, and getting the larger community to buy in would eliminate almost all shootings. Students need better interpersonal skills, and they need role models to show what those skills look like.
No matter what you do, there's always going to be people freaking out and having homicidal urges. People are imperfect that way.
Maybe that's why most of the rest of the world doesn't allow them have tools to easily kill people at a distance.
Most of it actually does -- very few places have total bans on firearms, they just don't let people buy semi-automatic weapons on a whim.
It's gruelling to accurately explain what gun control is to every pro-gun dildo on social media that feels entitled to a personal explanation (that they'll spit back in your face anyway).
But its important to remember that the pro-gun community isn't fighting "no guns for anyone ever", they're fighting "you need to pass a background check, prove you know how to safely store and use a firearm and not hit your wife"
Are you being ignorant on purpose, or is this just an accident?