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I have literally no idea how Jewish communities sharing specific DNA linking them to the levant has anything to do with white supremacy, or how that makes me a white supremacist. Zionism started after the Jewish Diaspora in 8th century BCE. Are all scientists that study genetics racist? Where are you getting this from and why are you so angry about it?
No, it didn’t. Zionism started in the late 1800s/early 1900s.
This has happened before. One specific movement started then, but the idea is very old https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Zion
And that’s not “Zionism.” You could say it was a precursor, but Zionism is distinct thing.
This is the very first line in the book “Der Judenstaat” by Theodor Herzl, considered to be the father of modern Zionism starting with this book. “The idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one: it is the restoration of the Jewish State.” Herzl simply renewed the idea in modern times, so many websites will list him as the start. However, a little digging into Jewish history and you will find Zionism is a very old idea.
The idea is old but the specific movement and the execution of it is very young.
Zionists are primarily characterised by "the end justify the means" which mostly means they will kill and expell anyone they don't like.
Jews however want their promised land but not specifically by violent means.
After spending some time reading the history of Zionism, I find your characterization of them dishonest. There’s tons of early Zionists that preached pacifism and coexistence. Here’s one of many examples https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._D._Gordon
Only a white supremacist classifies people into "races" based on arbitrary bullcrap like "sharing specific DNA." Methinks you don't seem to know how white supremacism works - despite the fact that you see the world through it's lens. It's a pretty common symptom amongst sufferers of the particular disease we call "westernism."
No it didn't, Clyde. Again... it’s such non-controversial history you’ll even find it on wikipedia.
Race is the wrong word in the modern American context. Jews aren't a race in the sense of black vs white.
Jews are, however, an ethnicity - much like how you can be ethnically Navaho or ethnically Basque. It's a matter of being part of a community of people with a shared culture and ancestry. And yes, beta Israel and Ashkenazim are both ethnically Jewish.
That's really weird, Clyde... considering that it's the only understanding of "race" we have here in our fundamentally white supremacist society.
Do tell... what does the KKK and the neonazis think of your (supposedly) "nuanced" take on pseudo-scientific "race science?"
Race used to be commonly used as a synonym of ethnicity - it isn't rare to see references to the German race, the Celtic race, Greek race, etc.
Oh... so dividing people into "races" using the most arbitrary characteristics is a recent thing?
You don't say.
If westernism is a disease which region is the cure professor Tank
So not only don't you understand your own diseased ideology... you also completely miss the point of all the others.
No, Clyde... desperately hurling the term "tankie" at others does not distract from your white supreamcism.
Yes my horrible ideology of citing a peer reviewed science article published by the national library of medicine lmao. Science is a capitalist and imperialist conspiracy!!1!1
Again, Clyde… desperately hurling the term “tankie” at others does not distract from your white supreamcism.
As soon as you called westernism a disease I knew exactly what your profile would look like. You’re a tankie. If I called easternism a “disease” would that be okay? No because I’m not a bigot. If you’re old enough to be using this site you’re old enough to know better.
Hey, Clyde... here's a nice trick for you to try on your own. Every time somebody mentions the term "western civilization" to you, substitute the word "western" with the word white.
See if it changes the context - it's a very fun little game. And quite educational.
What "easternism," Clyde? There is no such thing "eastern civilization" underpinned by "yellow and/or brown supremacy" - it only exists in the fevered imaginations of white supremacists.
Let me guess... you have a black friend?
Again, Clyde… desperately hurling the term “tankie” at others does not distract from your white supremacism.
“What “easternism,” Clyde? There is no such thing “eastern civilization” underpinned by “yellow and/or brown supremacy” - it only exists in the fevered imaginations of white supremacists.”
This word vomit is incomprehensible to anyone who isn’t a Tankie. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. If easternism isn’t a thing why would westernism be a thing?
No, no, no, Clyde... what "easternism?"
What's the matter? Afraid of following your own narrative to it's logical conclusion? Why would that be, eh?
Show it to me. Show me this "other" to your precious white - oops, sorry, I meant to say "western" - civilization that only exists in your head.
What are you even trying to say? You’re having an entire conversation with yourself and putting words in my mouth, it’s bizarre and hard to understand. I’m guessing westernism means the belief in western values and easternism would mean belief in eastern values.
There has never been more than one "western" value, Clyde - it's white supremacism. That's it. That's what makes something "western."
So I guess you won't be putting up any credible evidence to back up your silly claims?
No surprises there.
You are an actual racist
That's it?
That's all you have, Clyde?
Do tell... is this literally the first time you've been informed that the only thing that makes "western civilization" coherent in any way is white supremacism?
Yes, it is the first time I’ve been “informed” of such a concept. Only someone obsessed with race would come to that conclusion.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, Clyde... you live in a race-obsessed society. You wouldn't know what it is to exist outside of one.
You exist in a fundamentally white supremacist world - and it's so normal to you that you can't even see it.
How do we cure this horrifying disease known as the west comrade?
Do you have anything else you want to try and hide your white supremacism with? Or are we done here?
Comrade please how do we cure it why won’t you answer me
That's a no?