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Any dog is capable of killing people, but you are deluding yourself if you think that a pitbull is not significantly better equipped to kill than any other dog breed. Gameness is a real trait. There's a reason the Internet isn't full of retrievers and cocker spaniels nearly killing horses.
Bro… it has occurred to me that I have stepped into god’s special ed class. You are the second or third person to reply to my comments without reading my comments. I said that I agree. Pitbulls are dangerous and very capable of killing.
However, as someone that has only been attacked by a Shiba Inu and a Rottweiler. I have broken up a few different dogs fighting. I can speak from experience that really all dogs should be muzzled in public.
If you want me to say that a pitbull is more capable of killing. Then you’ll have to tell me than what. Chihuahuas? Absolutely! Irish wolfhound or Rottweiler? Maybe not.
What I’m saying is people should be held responsible if their dog attacks someone. I am confident mine can’t attack someone. Not because he’s super chill or something. But because I make it so his bitey end can’t bite you. I’m beginning to think you guys don’t know what a muzzle is. I’m talking about a cage that covers his entire mouth.
Like this thread is making me lose faith in humanity. I’ve agreed with you guys this whole time. Please show me where I said that pitbulls are safe. Seriously, please show me.
I literally said "any other dog breed." Pit bulls are uniquely capable of killing because of a combination of their bite strength and gameness. I agree that if you have a muzzle on a dog, it becomes incapable of biting. That's cool. I never said "your pit bull is more likely to kill someone than any other dog, even when it has its muzzle on and that other dog doesn't."
So, here’s where I will disagree with you. I admit I had to lookup gameness for a definition. Gameness speaks to their pain threshold and tenacity, but not of viciousness. I’m here to tell you from experience. All dogs over a certain size have a ridiculously high pain threshold. As far as bite force pitbulls aren’t even in the top 10.
But when you get right down to it. It still always comes down to irresponsible owners. Even if what you said was right. If people that owned them took the proper steps to prevent attacks then attacks wouldn’t happen. People should treat their dogs like a loaded gun. Make sure the safety is on in public.
Dog attacks are preventable. It’s not hard. But anyway. Yall have a good night. I’m going to play video games with the woman.
It cannot only come down to irresponsible owners. Like, a baseball bat is just as capable of killing someone as a gun, but it does not only come down to how irresponsible their owners are–an irresponsible baseball bat owner is far less likely to kill someone with their bat than an irresponsible gun owner. People should not have to treat their dogs like a loaded gun. I have never seen someone talk like that about a border collie, or a dalmation, or a golden retriever. I certainly don't see my dad's saint bernard/black lab mix like that.
Again, I don't have anything against specific dogs. I don't think all pit bulls need to die just for being pit bulls. But I also don't see why there needs to be another generation of any breed of dog that needs to be treated like a gun. Get them neutered, enjoy the time you have with them, and then get a mutt in 20 years.
Like, please explain an attack scenario that isn’t an irresponsible owner.
The only one I can think of is a dog roaming wild with no owner. But that’s a city problem.
Kirstie Bernard owned her pit bulls for eight years before they mauled her two young children to death. I would love to see you try to tell her to her face that it was because she was an irresponsible owner.
If she was irresponsible by not having her dogs muzzled at all times when they were with their family, then it sounds like maybe the breed has some problems, because that doesn't happen with any other breed. German shepherds have also mauled children, but that's typically when they're not being supervised. Bennard's dogs were not alone with her children, and the attack didn't happen while they were asleep.
She was irresponsible for not seeing the signs sooner. I guarantee that she ignored warning signs leading up to it. Or, didn’t know what signs to look for. Unfortunately, all we have to go off of is her account, and she isn’t going to admit that she ignored signs of hostility.
When my oldest was born my partner had a dog that she had had for 6 years. It wasn’t a pitbull it was some mutt. But when my oldest was learning to walk the dog would act like he couldn’t see him. He would walk right into my son and knock him down.
That is a bad sign. He had to go. Just because your dog loves you doesn’t mean that it loves strangers, and new kids that weren’t there when the dog first came into the house are the same as strangers to that dog. You have to reevaluate the situation.
But in all seriousness. This has gone on for over 24 hours at this point. I have my own family and dogs to hang out with. You don’t have to take my word for it. After all I’m just some weirdo on the internet speaking from their own experience. For all I know she could be that 1 in a million freak accident.
I hope yall have a happy holidays.
What signs did she miss? How could you possibly know there were signs to miss? If you want to fill in the blanks of the scenario with your own idea of how it went down, then how are we supposed to have a meaningful conversation?
All we have to go off of is her account, and the accounts of so many others who have been mauled by pits. It seems to me that it's easier to explain the multitude of attacks by the breed as a result of the traits that we know that humans bred into them than it is to say that every bad dog owner happens to get a pit bull, and every pit bull that attacks someone happens to have had a bad owner. Other breeds have shitty owners too, and only one breed tops every chart in violence.
Well, just like you said. I cant argue that she did miss signs. Just like you cant argue that she didn’t miss signs. You can say that the high number of attacks means something. I can say that my personal experience means something.
But in the end we’re both full of shit. Without having controlled studies we’re re just doing the best we can with the information we have. Truthfully, and with all due respect probably none of the people here are qualified to actually contribute anything meaningful to the conversation.
Plus, this topic has been ongoing for me, for over 24 hours. If you don’t like a breed of dog that’s your prerogative. As an American I support your right to dislike a breed of dog. But I am going to spend the rest of my evening hanging out with my family building a ginger bread house then playing some more Baldur’s Gate 3.
One more time. I wish you a happy holiday. I hope this coming year is everything you hoped it would be and more.
Sorry I didn’t actually take on what you were talking about in regards to some breeds being more dangerous. If we’re talking size small dogs are less dangerous, but once you get over a certain size, any dog is dangerous.
The problem is that pitbulls do more attacks. But is that due to the breed, or is it a situation where they are put in a position to attack people more. I tried and failed to talk about this yesterday. But here and in a lot of poor communities people buy a few pitbulls and put them outside their house for protection. These dogs are not socialized and aren’t pets like you and I think of them. These same irresponsible owners don’t secure their dogs very well so they get loose a lot.
Why do these people buy pitbulls? Because they have a reputation and they are CHEAP. My local humane society had to start checking up on pitbulls they adopted out because this was such a problem.
My point is that without having knowledge of all the attack incidents. The only thing I can infer is that a lot of people have pitbulls that shouldn’t.