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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Inflation is out of control. Housing is unaffordable. The healthcare system is broken. Everyone is drowning in student debt. Ecosystems are collapsing. We're constantly on the brink of war.

This is a better description of Trump's presidency than Biden's, especially right now when inflation is not out of control, and Biden has done everything he can to forgive student loans.

[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean none of these things got better under any president in recent memory, they just got eroded a lot less quickly under certain ones

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Didn't Obama try to come up with a healthcare solution that was undermined by conservatives? Which Trump tried to neuter as hard as possible?

Didn't Biden try to forgive student loans, which conservatives kept stopping?

I feel the "both sides are doing it" argument isn't entirely true.

[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago

With respect, it looked like a "try" in many cases but consider his decades in politics and knowing likely outcomes of any given proposal. Then consider his best of the best, Ivy League-educated cabinet, advising him on every chess move. If you don't look at both sides, you might find yourself in a disingenuous ruse.

I tried but what could I do?
How could I have known Joe Manshun would say no?
We didn't have a filibuster proof majority (which we could have eliminated with a simple rule change like we did with the debt ceiling- but oddly didn't for infrastructure).
Oh those legal challenges came out of left field and our best and brightest from Harvard never saw it coming.
I co-authored the bankruptcy bill that exempted student debt when I was a Senator but now my intentions are different. Student debtors, I'm on your side now. Don't you see?

[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago

Tried =/= improved lives

Also when did i say both sides same? Never did

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Trump was literally on Twitter bullying the fed chair to not raise rates, threatening to fire him. The inflation situation is very uniquely his fault.

[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

So inflation started after trump? Its not inherent in the system?

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

And he bitched about the Fed under Obama for keeping interest rates low and claimed that the real unemployment rate was like 42%.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's how it always works. Republicans shit in the bed, but it's only uncovered after a Democrat gets elected. Then they fix everything, only for the next republican to start the process over.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Kind of like how W. Bush ran up all kinds of debt off the books in Iraq and Afghanistan and Obama gets slammed for bringing it front and center:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/us-public-defrauded-hidden-cost-iraq-war

And that doesn't even take into account the massive Pentagon fraud perpetuated year after year:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/pentagon-audit-budget-fraud/

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

People unfortunately still have the perception that inflation is out of control despite it being under 3%.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Liberal government here in Canada managed to fuck all of those things up too, not unique to Trump sadly