284
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 26 Dec 2023
284 points (98.0% liked)
News
22838 readers
3874 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I am on board with cancelling some student debt for those who are struggling, but I wonder if this is a good long term solution. How do we stop getting overburdened graduates into the debt machine at 22? Do we lower tuition costs, make college free, talk kids out of going, giving more government grants to low income students?
If the taxpayers are going to socialize anything I'd prefer to start with healthcare. That impacts everyone.
You can socialize more than one thing at a time. Student loan debt affects everyone too. We have an entire generation right now who can’t afford to buy a house, and who are putting off marriage and having kids. That effects the entire economy. Not to mention they can’t save for retirement if a good chunk of their income is going into student loan debt.
A few counters to this:
Given that public opinion weighs so heavily on the ability to get anything done, healthcare, to me, seems like an easier win. Focus on one thing, get it done right, make people happy, get elected to a second term.
Student loans do not affect everyone. College attendance is declining and nobody ever dies from not having a bachelor's.
Home prices and interest rates are out of control, but neither has anything to do with student loans. Home prices have risen at way beyond inflationary rates to beyond what is affordable even for those without debt. Other factors are at play here.
Stopping the student loan program would be a good start. It would cause some people to not be able to go to college, but it would likely save far more from a debt trap. Stopping loans would also apply a huge downward force on tuition, which may actually help more people afford to go to college in the first place.
Maybe after a few years of no loans, a grant system could be created. It would pay participating universities directly, if they agreed to some level of affordable tuition. You could tie additional grant money to performance objectives that are harder to game like graduation rates, job placement, average salary of recent graduates, and performance of the bottom quintile.
Interesting to think about. I wonder how much schools would need to scale back to make a noticable difference in tuition and what jobs would be cut in the process. At a time when private colleges are already struggling, it might be difficult to find the fat to trim.
Admin jobs would be cut. The vast majority of tuition increases have not gone to the faculty, who teach the classes.
There's tons of administrative fat. Also admission staff could be cut because of reduced enrollment. Financial aid departments would lose 90% of their options, so could be reduced.
I assume the schools would just partner with a bank and offer their own loans at that point. Similar to those store credit card scams
Healthcare is a good start, but education is the biggest investment we can possibly make. Why not both, though? The money exists.
Well, sure, the money exists, but it's not for those people
Pre George W. Bush, it was perfectly legal to discharge student debt in bankruptcy. That made loans harder to get, and consequently, kept college prices from these insane increases.