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Depends on the implementation, and I think that that's something of an issue in discussion about it -- because its effects depend a great deal on the specifics.
There is a portion of the small government conservative crowd that sees it as a replacement for welfare programs where the government mandates policy. Like, instead of getting, oh, food stamps or such, where the government precisely spells out policy in each area ("this is what you are permitted to buy with this"), people who are poorer than a certain amount would simply get a flat cash payment and choose how to use it. In that sense, it'd reduce the degree of control that government has, which is a goal that they'd like to see.
There's also a portion of the redistribute-more-wealth crowd on the left that sees it as existing alongside existing welfare programs, rather than as a replacement. For them, if the government has progressive taxation policy (like, income tax brackets or the like), a flat benefit to everyone will tend to redistribute more, which is a goal that they'd like to see.
Both implementations would qualify as UBI -- they both provide an unconditional basic income. But the actual effects depend on the implementation.
So when someone says something like "sign this petition for UBI", I think that a really good question is "tell me what sort of UBI you are aiming to have implemented", because the details have a very considerable impact on what it is that you're signing up to support.
"Only one fund to lock to a fixed number rather than tie to inflation, and then bring down? Sign us up!"
It doesn't matter because petitions don't work for affecting legislative change.
Mmm...it depends. So, one particular example I recall calling for UBI without giving any details and urging people on /r/Europe to sign up for it was at an international level in Europe, and I don't know what, exactly, the implications of that petition were.
But there are definitely systems of government where petitions do make a difference. The popular initiative exists, and there it's explicitly part of the process.
I'm not really a huge fan of the popular initiative and referendum -- I live in California, which uses both, and I think that some of the policy that I think is most ill-considered in California has gone through via that process. However, it certainly can -- and has, on a number of occasions, has -- had dramatic impact on the state's policy, as with California's unusual property tax situation.
https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/ballot-measures/pdf/statewide-initiative-guide.pdf