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[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean, the guy who said that went on to ally with social democracies against real fascists.

You understood history wrong. The European powers wanted to use Nazi Germany, Poland and Japan to destroy the USSR. Many of them had signed military and economic cooperation agreements with Nazi Germany. The British literally just signed the Dusseldorf Agreement for the cooperation between British and German industries in March 1939, and the Munich Agreement before that with the British, France, Italy and Germany in 1938.

It was the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, engineered by the Soviet diplomatic team and supposedly without Hitler’s involvement, at the last minute that saved the day. It drove a wedge between Germany and Poland (who had just shared Czechoslovakia together), forcing Germany to invade Poland, and in turn forcing France and the Great Britain to declare war on Germany. The entire Japanese cabinet resigned over the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and backed down from interfering with the Soviets. Like, why do you think the Japanese government would resign over a pact signed by two foreign countries?

The European “social democracies” wanted the Soviet Union dead. They wanted to destroy communism. They simply did not expect to be outplayed at the last minute when the Soviets managed to turn Nazi Germany against the Europeans themselves.

[–] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

What further reading can I do regarding all this?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The European “social democracies” wanted the Soviet Union dead.

Agreed -- and Stalin would go on to ally with those exact same countries.

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Stalin was often foolish and would have done well listening to more of zhukovs wisdom.

We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That isn't the point; it's that your rhetoric is self-defeating.