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"Holds no power" <- when did I ever say this?
Thanks again for doing the typical tankie thing of trying to quote me on words I never said. Lovely good faith discussion here.
Biden must have stolen your tact lmao.
But don't you know? You either hold ALL THE POWER or ^none ^of ^it. There is no in-between /s
So, Biden does hold some power, and voters can hold him accountable? Which is it?
Why is it whenever your ilk comes out to have a "discussion" it's always absolutes and false quotations?
It’s because these kids don’t understand that there are the bullshit bandwagon socialism they’ve subscribed to can only succeed in theory. And they don’t know theory isn’t really- so when they attempt to debate political topics- they have no idea what they’re talking about.
Because-
Either he has power and can be held accountable, or his power is limited and not voting for him doesn’t matter. It’s logic.
Not voting for him gets you trump. People have explained this to you already. Many times. You refuse to understand this. Why?
Why do you think people who are CLEARLY smarter than you, and more well versed in politics are all wrong, and YOU are the one that is right?
How is it that everyone that has tried to reason with you is wrong?
Wait. You make me participate in a system (capitalism) that I did not choose, and offer me no alternatives. Then, demand that I have to vote to prevent this system from collapsing. And, somehow this is all my fault?
Stop blaming your fellow humans and start blaming the system (capitalism).
Nope. I’ll blame you and the rest of the trendy tankies that are staying home and letting Trump win. . Trust me- you’ll understand why everyone hates you when you grow up some. Sure… It’ll be cringy. And you’ll probably feel a bit of shame- but hopefully it’ll be a good learning experience.
“Trendy Tankies” would be a good name for a Ska or Swing band.
You keep using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means.
The reality is he has very little power over the events people are upset about but a lot of power over other important things he's doing fairly well at.
There is no good choice in the Middle East, if he pulled out of the historical agreements with Israel and left them defenceless then he'd get even more people blaming him for a genocide, or the US would have to step in directly when the amount of dead Israelies reached a point public opinion demanded it...
People already complain that Israel created Hamas and when you look into those arguments they stem from articles saying that in prior conflicts Israel has stopped before completely defeating them.. this is a situation with no good move. Even if some people got their wish and all the Jewish people were killed it's not going to solve all the issues in the region, the current situation is possibly the path with the least amount of human tragedy and suffering that we have available.
Well, that’s not anti-Semitic.
In case it was missed I'm suggesting that there are anti Semitic people who want that, obviously I don't
So, a genocide. How magnanimous.
Picking the most emotive term for everything has a very short lived power, everything is a genocide these days according to someone.
The reality is it's a very complex situation with many facets, it's an asymmetric war with very well funded and trained terrorists getting support from Iran and other fundamentalist groups - it's not a small group of innocent people in an open air prison as you want to paint it, there's a huge oil rich and bloody handed gang of despots who maintain power much like any despot by distracting everyone with ideological conflicts - Iran needs the region to hate Israel so they need a war like this, they get their trained terrorists to fire missiles they supply and that's all they care about.
Israel has been making great progress politically in the region, the deal supplying Jordan with desalinated water transformed a crisis everyone predicted to be the start of the water wars into a partnership. With Saudi Arabia moving towards similar partnerships countries like Iran didn't want to sit idle and outy happen. How should Israel and it's allies respond?
The World knows what Israel is doing. It’s unfortunate you feel the need to obfuscate for them.
Read the article, the world did not say it's a genocide nor did they suggest a ceasefire - you've been caught up in emotive memes probably largely pushed by Russia et all and are using headlines you don't understand but like the sound of.
Even a Jewish Holocaust and genocide scholar calls it a “textbook case of genocide.” Has he been caught up in emotive memes probably largely pushed by Russia et all and using headlines he doesn’t understand but like the sound of?
You're acting like you don't know how the world works and it's silly, why would anyone expect you to have a sensible opinion when every response involves you willfully ignoring the most basic facets of life.
Yes people use emotive language for political and personal reasons, yes people make dramatic claims about world events for a variety of reasons on both sides.
I don't know if you're aware but October 9th 2023 was a while ago, it's getting close to February 2024 - this means we can use a magic tool called retrospect to evaluate statements. We do this by looking at the statement and seeing if the thing said happened, in this case the thing said did not happen - in fact the rafah crossing was opened for humanitarian aid only nine days later so we didn't need to wait so long, or we could have looked December 17 when the Kerem shalom crossing was opened for aid, or whenever maritime aid corridor was opened which is how British and EU aid is entering gaza...
The UK has delivered aid into gaza and the west Bank via UN agencies with a £87 million commitment, USA $100 million, EU €100 million plus extra as individual donations from member nations...
So the reality very strongly disproves the statement made and therefore we can in retrospect discount it from being useful in your argument.
Ya’ll out in force, because you’re losing.
Yes and as the article actually says all they actually said is
Which is an obvious non statement, of course Israel is going to continue to abide by the various conventions which it's signed upto and which according to them they've been obeying, something they expect to be proven in the case that's going ahead.
This is a court agreeing to hear a case, it's like when they agree to hear a libel case and the person is told not to make defaming comments in the lead to the trial - it says nothing about their actual guilt or intent, it says we're going to start trying to find out.
Then Israel will be in the clear in a month. Because they’re definitely not doing a genocide. /s