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Like, how exactly?
Especially when the topic is Israeli genocide, on which both parties have the exact same position?
That's not true. One party wants to defend Israel because it is the only hope for lasting human rights and democratic values in the entire region. One party wants Israel to start a hot war with Iran so it has an excuse to nuke the largest Arab state sponsor of Islamicism and Islamic extremism.
Bruh... You still going on about the human rights nonsense? You do realize that Israel is, putting it lightly, an Apartheid state right?
No I don't realize that at all.
Do you realize Palestinians have had 100 years to reject violent religious extremism, suicide bombings, human shields, and the organized and intentional targeting of civilians, and in that 100 years such ideological violence is more popular than ever?
Claiming Palestinians have religious extremism while defending Israel, an apartheid ethnostate that has different courts depending on your religion and is doing a genocide for an old book, is hilarious. And if you don't know that Israel is an apartheid state, something claimed by Amnesty, international, Human Rights Watch, and multiple other NGO's and countries, then I'm not sure you're educated enough on this issue.
First of all, none of those things have been happening for hundred years. Everyone got along in that area until Zionism took hold and it became obvious the British and French were going to renege on their deal to the Palestinians in order to carve out a bunch of their land to give to foreigners without giving them a state. People they had rejected to this land to avoid dealing with their own antisemitism. The same people that had been forming terrorist groups to take over more territory and achieve their dream of their own state at the cost of wiping out the local people living there. The first Intifada wasn't until the late 1980's, and Hamas wasn't until around then. They won the election in Gaza because diplomacy and non violent resistance hadn't been working for 20-40 years.
Second, all those things Israel has been doing more of and worse. Except instead of suicide bombings, it's been just regular bombings. And even then, there hasn't been suicide bombings for like 20 years. Israel kills way more civilians and claims human shields just as an excuse to keep doing it, which is the dumbest excuse in the world to kill a bunch of civilians. It's like entering a hostage situation and just mowing down everyone. No police force has done that (except for maybe Israel's). Unless you think they mean physical human shields, which I've rarely seen any evidence of that being mass practiced.
Most Palestinian resistance has been peaceful, and even peaceful resistance has been denigrated. People lose jobs for supporting BDS and people have lost their legs for doing the Great March of Return. They still lose West Bank settlements, still have no water, not enough food, no sovereignty or control over power, massive unemployment, and no way to fix it because Israel occupies them. Israel has promised they'd start working on a two state solution within 5 years for the last 20 years and finally gave up that farce with Bibi's comments recently. Of course Hamas sucks, but what else do you expect? What would you have them do? Just sit down and die?
That you're claiming everyone got along in the region prior to Zionism demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of the history of the region. That's simply not true, there's hundreds of years of evidence showing that's not accurate at all.
I'd have the Palestinians people deal with their shit, violently smash Hamas and charge them with crimes against humanity.
Fat chance that'll happen, Hamas is more popular than ever., had massive support for October 7.
What you're saying is untrue.
The parties say two different things. They do exactly the same things with the same results.
And I'm about 30 years past giving parties credit for saying good things and doing bad things.
You're correct in sentiment, but good luck explaining how the lesser of two evils is still evil whilst claiming the result is the same. You're conflating a lot of topics by bringing in Israel's actions. The result is exactly the same because there is a third actor doing it.
Even when it's strictly things state side, it's only "exactly the same" if the bar is, "it won't get completely fixed", because there is a HUGE difference between Republican plans and Democrat plans. Even if the Dems are still barely offering crumbs, it's more crumbs than a kick in the teeth.
No they're both kicks in the teeth. Maybe one with a steel toed boot and the other with a tennis shoe but... it's still a kick to the teeth.