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It always boils down to this
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I like him. Am I not supposed to or something?
No, actually.
@SoLongSealion@lemmy.world is literally a sea lion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
I don't think that's a coincidence
Suspending elections until war is over is encoded in their constitution.
That does not make it better in any way.
Maybe take it up with the people who wrote the constitution.
Those people prefigured the situation, much like the US founders created the structural framework for disenfranchisement, racial capitalism, and global imperialism. We can't take it up with them, we just need to assess it soberly. Contemporaries do not get free passes merely because the precursors were created by now-dead peope
That's all well and good, but they're under attack by Putin, a Nazi who accuses everyone of nazism. Opening elections at this point would just encourage idiots to vote for their oppressors.
Is this projection?
Being anti-democracy and calling more than half of ukrainian people idiots, typical westerner behavior.
not everyone you disagree with is a nazi bro
ad 1: You already know what would happen to Ukrainian spies in Russia. They can thank their lucky stars for still being alive and held in a country with actual morals. ad 2: You already know what would've happened to pro-Ukrainian parties in Russia long before 2014. ad 3: All the while Putler is trying to take his country back to that "romantic" era. Seems to me like what's good for Putler can't possibly be good for his sworn enemies. ad 4: That's how fucking martial law works.
Seriously what do you expect national policy to look like when you're being invaded? Just let others spy on you, meddle with your national politics in parliament, weaken your resolve? When war starts shit gets fucking real really fucking quick. Putler has declared Ukrainians sub-humans, inferior to the "actual Russian/Slav", he is abducting their children. This is genocide and it's just mindboggling how people in actual free countries manage to twist the narrative into such directions like "Ukraine should just sue for a ceasefire".
Especially you with your Black-Red-and-Gold profile picture should know how well suing for peace worked with Hitler. Dictators just take what they can until they are dictators no more. Putin will take whatever he possibly can for as long as there is still a breath left in his body. He will rebuild his military, no matter how long it takes, he will model Russia's economy after North Korea's and you already know he absolutely will be back for more of the same.
Putler this, putler that, put some sense into your brain bro lmao. You're just using buzzwords you see in the media, it's incredible that you own a brain but seem incapable of using it.
Bold of you to assume they have a brain
Why does he have so much support from NATO countries considering these points?
Look who’s just figuring out that nato is just rebranded imperialism
I'm not arguing, I'm just honestly asking questions. Why is NATO imperialistic? From my perspective, they are trying to help an independent country defend itself from people who are trying to take it from them by force.
NATO actively pushed the Ukrainians into this war, because what is happening here is a proxy war. NATO, US and EU officials openly admit this, and even brag about it.
This war didn't start in 2022. It started in 2012 with the Maidan coup.
Furthermore, if you think NATO is not an imperialist organization, then I don't think you've been following what has been going on in the world since its inception.
I'm still a bit confused. It was Ukraine that was attacked by Russia and needed to defend itself. How did NATO push them into war?
Edit: and yes, of course I agree that members of NATO have had a past of imperialism. But does that really mean that they should be labelled an "imperialistic organization" as they stand today?
Thanks for answering to that guy. It was pretty obvious they were not here "just asking questions", and also obvious they were downvoting any answer they got, but it's good to engage the trolls and show other people reading the conversation the reality.
@SoLongSealion @OrnluWolfjarl they didn't, and these people are talking crap.
Between the Ukraine war and the Wagner coup, we've learned that if NATO ever wanted to come down on Russia like a tonne of bricks, the best Putin could do is blow up his roads and fuck off into a hole somewhere.
I sure hope Russia's paying them, 'cause the alternative is even more depressing.
I'm honestly unpleasantly surprised to see this much pro Russian propaganda, but it makes sense. Smaller platform means more radicals get a voice.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization
No investigation, no right to speak
Oh, and I'm not pro-Russia - fuck Putin - but the Donbass etc voted to secede to Russia and the Ukraine bombed the shit out of them...so yeah. The US and, by extension, NATO, are supporting the war to keep it going because it's a proxy war because Communism scary.
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=nato%20imperialism
Because NATO is not "pro-democracy". Portugal under the Salazar regime was one of the founders of NATO.
I'm not even anti-NATO or anti-Selensky, but man this is naive. NATO is a political tool like any other organisations funded by nations.
If their communists are anything like the swedish ones they are just "tankies". They'll love russia and china with the reasoning that they are "not usa" and therefore automatically good. This has been a huge issue for the european "far"-left for ages.
Most of what you listed is just attributably to being at war. Elections are impossible to hold during war and the crimea-thing is just posturing at this point which mean very little.
Yes it's such an issue for the European left to have people with principles, who are right all the time and can think beyond elections to enact change.
Don't make me laugh, social Democrats would sooner vote with the far right to prevent the actual left from winning elections.
Since I am a Swedish communist and know plenty of them, I feel it might fall on me to say that you are just being ignorant and judgmental. There has been a fair share of naivety in the ranks of the left wing parties in Sweden, but that was much more notable during the 1970's than it is today. I don't know any communist or socialist in Sweden that argues in such simplistic terms like "not USA is automatically good", that's just an insane claim to make. And while we're at it, most of the western world seem to agree that "not-Russia is automatically good" with all the head-in-the-sand shit the west is pulling over Ukraine. I believe you are touting prejudice against communists, like so many before you have done. It doesn't do anyone any good.
I agree that it had changed to the better in the last 15 years or so. It's still an issue elsewhere though.
Historically, no.
You should go in the middle of Kiev and shout this. Pretty soon, some armed thugs will pull up, strip you, beat you up, throw green paint on you then tie you on a street lamp and piss on you. It's not posturing.
These supposed consequences are nothing more than stochastic threatening from you.
Oh yes. Because of course I made it up. There's not hundreds of videos of exactly this scenario happening.
The last time anybody was mobbed was in the early part of the war when they were looting. You can't show any proof of your claims.
Euros will always call travelling people thieves, because euros are extremely racist.
So you believe the people who tied other people naked to lampposts in winter? Those people? That's who you believe when they tell you they were totally justified in tying and beating up people and leaving them to freeze to death?
Sometimes I wish Russia would actually invade Europe so we could get rid of fascists like you. You're the kind of idiot who would have sent Dahmer's victim back to him like the police did when he fled the apartment.
Of course! This did not happen on June 14 2023: https://t.me/ukraine_watch/4209
Or this in April: https://t.me/ukraine_watch/621?single
Next you are going to tell me Ukraine is not run by Nazis?
Links don't work, it's just opening my sms app for some reason.
They are Telegram links. You might need to use their app.
Ah, I was confused since I guess the t was twitter.
It's easy to believe that everyone's a Nazi when you get your news from actual Nazis.
Are you a random word generator or something?
ArE yOu A rAnDoM wOrD gEnErAtOr?
I don't care about him so... I'm more concerned about the families of my friends who live there.
Lol