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r/politics • 13.3k Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war "supports second Trump term" • [Imagine what the top comment is.] (hexbear.net)

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[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 58 points 4 months ago

Is anyone even saying that? I thought the whole issue was about withholding votes by votong undeclared in the upcoming primary to draw attention to the fact that Biden can't take this voting bloc for granted and should listen to their concerns. A significant group of voters using their collective leverage. Back in the day we would've called that effective democracy.

the voice of reason

There are In fact LOTS of progressives saying they won’t ever vote for Biden ever based on the current war in Palestine. It’s strange to me to give up on the every thing else in your life for the plight of the Palestinian people which is a very complex situation politically, economical, and militarily in that region. A lot of rights here in the US are on the line. Things can get infinitely worse.

aaaaaand we're back to fantasyland

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

a very complex situation politically, economical, and militarily in that region

Ta-Nehisi Coates on his visit to Israel and Palestine - "There's a word that come up all the time and it's 'complexity' and it's closely related adjective 'complicated'... I assumed it would be hard to descern right from wrong to understand the morality at play [and the conflict]. But perhaps the most shocking thing was that I immediately understood."

video - https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1720062305562497024/vid/avc1/480x270/OZBnhaK-xzfYInO9.mp4?tag=16

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

I recall watching a journalist ask some kids where they're from and they said Palestine, then they got visibly scared as a member of the IOF calls them over. He yelled at them and said there is no Palestine, that it's Israel. Back home you had to teach kids to be wary of cops, in occupied Palestine the children inevitably find out on their own.

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago

Palestine is so complex that my pea brain just can't form a single opinion. This is a normal thing to say about a conflict with a 20:1 casualty ratio.

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Thank God MSNBC and Fox News told me what to think, otherwise I'd have to like, read a book and look at a map or something.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

Translation: "It's weird to me people take the humanity of Palestinians seriously, don't they know we have to keep the kayfabe of the two party system alive"

[-] Raebxeh@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

the plight of the Palestinian people which is a very complex situation politically, economical, and militarily

I’m gonna… I’m gonna… nuuuuuuance

[-] homhom9000@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

It's a very complex situation therefore we shouldn't bother having an opinion on it or caring, eventhough your tax dollars are currently going to the funding of this complex situation.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

It's weird you would think that if it were so complicated and nuanced that maybe there would be a variety of possible correct conclusions or solutions.

But of course when they say it's super complicated and nuanced they don't mean that there's any other acceptable answers than the ones that they arrived it, it just means that their solution might not make sense to you if you just analyze it with things like "historical context" and "ethics" but it's definitely still the ONLY correct answer, even if to you it just seems like they're enabling a genocide.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Things can get infinitely worse.

Liberals keep saying this and while that's true for suburban white Americans, I don't understand how the situation could get worse for Palestinians. What exactly do they think Trump will do that Biden and Israel haven't done already? Gaza is flattened. Is Trump going to commit double genocide?

Is Israel just playing around? I don't understand what kind of morbid imagination liberals have if the current situation for Palestinians could get worse.

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

Cool so my reasons for not voting for Biden are complex and nuanced so you can't criticize me for it.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

Is anyone even saying that?

Yea there are a decent number of people saying that because of frustration.

It's a little reminiscent of Global Southerners who worship Russia (though to be fair, worshipping Russia is nowhere near as stupid as worshipping Trump, since they at least sort of have a common interest with you while Trump has none)

Voting for Trump will not improve a single thing for any Palestinian or Muslim person. If you want to just save the time and improve your life instead of voting, that's totally understandable, but if you're actively going out and voting for Trump you're just a reactionary (and a cuck)