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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago

Biden is the only thing standing between democracy and fascism in the US. Hate it all you want,but that is the reality at the moment.

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 13 points 8 months ago

He can play two roles, it's not as simple as either good or bad. Capitalist Democratic leadership that is dedicated more to controlling the party's left wing than defeating the country's extremist right wing has and does enable fascism. This isn't even a remotely controversial take, historically speaking. Trump owes his first presidency to the likes of Clinton and Obama, and yes, Joe Biden, who had had a long career of neoliberalism.

That said, while Biden hasn't been, by any means, a perfect president, he has been far better than I expected, possibly the most progressive president since LBJ. And he is standing, albeit somewhat vaguely, between Trump and the Whitehouse.

But stopping Trump isn't going to stop the slide into fascism. It can only, at best, delay things until the next election. To do that, we need a strong progressive movement to send a true leftist coalition to take over DC, and set a national tone and direction that moves away from the fascist ledge.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I think the irony is that Republicans are both as dangerous and fragile as possible right now. Their coalition is fracturing badly. If we win definitively in November, it will be a strong blow against them. If we're lucky, it'll be enough to permanently splinter them and make them unviable nationally.

That is my first and foremost goal. Render them impotent.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I'm usually all about finding a middle ground, but in this election it is that simple. Trump brings fascism now. Biden retains democracy for at least another 4 years.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Upvote for material analysis instead of emotions.

[-] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

But Biden has not stayed on the neo-liberal hard line globalist policies. He has recoiled from international supply chains by bringing investment to manufacturing in the US. He has relieved debt payments for college educated workers. He has invested in infrastructure for transportation of goods as well as electricity which tackles the problem of emissions as well as cost of energy. I believe these moves are a reaction to understanding that life is hard and globalism left a lot of people behind.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago
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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago
[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I would vote for him in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Me either, and it's a real shame. The far right would go into beautiful seizures, but he would get massive turnout from pretty much everyone else.

He's a far cry from being as far left as I would like, but I really wouldn't care. He would be more capable of actually fixing things than anyone else I can think of, even Bernie. Can you imagine the hell most of Congress would face to oppose him on pretty much anything?

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