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submitted 8 months ago by CyborgMarx@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

I can see how they got away with not saying any Arabic terms in the last movie, but come on, are they really gonna ret-con the whole vocabulary of the setting to avoid upsetting some cracker groypers?

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

I only watched the first part, but you can't see it and not see Lawrence of Arabia and the white saviourism of it. (I realise that everyone's said this, but really it hit me hard).

[-] RangeFourHarry@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago

That’s kinda the point though, the Bene Gesserit seeded a messiah narrative a thousand years before Paul got there. Haven’t read all of dune, but hearing people talk about it, it seems like Herbert is deconstructing the whole ‘chosen one’ narrative. It’s supposed to be fucked up.

[-] Crucible@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

Exactly, and there's a strong chance he only planned on doing the first two books but people didn't get this point so he makes it much more overt in the third and fourth books

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, the whole project is about "Maybe superheroes are kinda bad." < timestamped link to NBC interview with Frank Herbert

E) So happy my 5k comment was DUNEposting

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[-] AlkaliMarxist@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

I haven't seen the new movie, but I feel like the book deliberately invoked this in the sense of "this is pretty fucked up, right?" Does the movie do it in that sense or like a "wow, what a hero!" way?

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

the first movie taken on its own could be seen that way but its setting up a second movie which leans more towards the former sense

[-] AlkaliMarxist@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's totally fair and I think tracks pretty well with the book.

spoilerIt's foreshadowed, but it's not until he get's his Mentat powers in the desert that it becomes clear how Paul's basically manipulating the Fremen knowing that it'll destroy him and them.

[-] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

the second part deals with that more explicitly from what I've been told (haven't seen it yet) even though the book didn't deal with it too much until the sequel

spoilerishIt comes back to bite paul and he "lives long enough to become the villain" so to speak: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/dune-2-denis-villeneuve-interview-white-savior

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