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[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Its strength is generating models of reality that have predictive power, and fine-tuning those models as new information is obtained.

Its weaknesses are a lack of absolute certainty and the inability to model that which has no detectable impact on reality.

[-] onion@feddit.de 12 points 6 months ago

Also never touching any why-questions

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don’t think this is true. “Why” questions merely need to be translated from the abstract to the tangible in order to be tested.

Perhaps you meant the philosophical and/or metaphysical? Even then, sometimes it’s just a matter of translating an abstract concept into something tangible to test. But, yes, some questions simply cannot be answered by science. But that doesn’t mean that a system of logic and testing cannot still be applied to find a reasonable answer. Even then, the scientific method can serve as a guide.

Truth in any context will always rely on facts, what can be proven by attainable evidence. Let logic be your guide. Fear no knowledge. Always remember to be good and empathetic and kind with that knowledge.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 6 months ago

Truth in any context will always rely on facts

Why?

[-] Beldarofremulak@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

We got some 101's in here beanbag chairin it up.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 12 points 6 months ago

Speak for yourself, I'm having this conversation from a papasan chair I found on the side of the road

[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah I’m the one on the beanbag sorry for the confusion guys

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Because without facts, what you have is not "truth." It's either speculation or bullshit.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 5 points 6 months ago

But how do you define "facts?" And how do you define "truth?" And how do you define "is?"

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

We'll see who cancels who?

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Thanks, Jordan.

[-] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I think the point is this is paradoxical. Everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord, then how can we prove "everything must be proven by facts and we cannot trust any general, abstract statement of its own accord"? What if that's a wrong assumption?

Maybe the truth is we don't always need to rely on observable facts, but we don't know that because we're making the aforementioned assumption without having any proof that it's correct.

[-] auzas_1337@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago

axioms have entered the chat

The deeper you go in the why territory, the more abstract and tangental your axioms get.

So yeah. All facts and truths ultimately rest on foundations that are either kinda unobservable or unproven. Doesn’t make them less practical or true (by practical definitions) though.

[-] Dr_Satan@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

To get a fact out of an observation requires interpretation and a desire-to-interpret. It's observation translated into dreamstuff.

[-] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

“Why”, when distinguished from “how”, is asking about the intent of a thinking agent. Neuroscience, psychology, and sociology exist for when thinking agents are involved. When they’re not, that type of “why” makes no sense.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I think that's because there is no answer to "why" - At least not one that would satisfy the human mind.

The best we are ever going to be getting is "it just is".

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