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Just a little friendly compromise, what could go wrong?
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800 years of russian state imperialism isnt enough to convince some people that the rest of Eastern Europe has truly had enough of one of their own imposing their big brother geopolitics on the rest of them. Every shitty empire has their MO, for russia, its always been a game of lies, deceit, and muddying the waters of truth. The guy in the middle is someone whos been drinking water from a poisoned well somewhere.
Yeah! That's the US's job!
"Hurr durr, It's bad when the US do it but it's fine if Russia does it"
“Hurr durr, it's unacceptable to us white liberals when everybody but the US does it."
Are you still here, white supremacist? Have you been priced out of the copium market, perhaps?
When you call a marxist a liberal, we know your brain is soup.
So you don't understand what the term "Marxist" actually means?
Color me surprised... do you need me to explain it to you, liberal? Fine - I will.
Marxist simply means that you understand capitalism through a Marxist lens - that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can be a Marxist and be a socialist.
You can be a Marxist and be a fascist.
You can be a Marxist and be the most exploitative and parasitic capitalist around.
Hell, you can be a Marxist while also being the most money-grubbing banker in the west - Marxism will even help you achieve that.
Are you getting this, liberal? Or is it still flying over your head?
You should probably get some psychiatrist to help you, your brain clearly doesn't work.
Also, normal people learn very early in life that the expected social behavior is to share the minimum amount of information needed to be understood. No capitalist will ever self describe as a Marxist.
Oooooh... I'm so sorry. You conflated ideology with identity - and now you've gone and got your ego hurt on the rocks of political reality.
Yeah - that's never a good idea. It's a recipe for disillusionment.
That's because they don't feel the need to stake their egos to the term "Marxist" like you do. Come here to Africa - I'll show you "Marxist" neoliberals aplenty. You couldn't throw a brick in one of our parliaments without hitting one.
You are stupid
You getting your feels hurt does not imply any failure on my part, okay?
I'm not even the guy you originally responded to and I have no stake in this, I am simply telling you that your statements make you sound stupid.
Marxism is a socialist~communist socioeconomic/political philsosophy, and being a Marxist means you follow the ideals of said ideology, making you a socialist and/or communist (depending on the usage of the word). It does not simply (have to) mean you think "yeah the things Marx says about class are accurate", it means you advocate for the solutions he describes for the industrialist plague.
Calling someone a "capitalist Marxist" is fucking gold lol, I mean depending on context/connotation of the word it isn't always technically impossible (if that's what you want to call class-conscious capitalists), but in this case it certainly is impossible since he's clearly meaning it in the sense of someone who believes in implementing Marx's socialism, not just someone who believes that what Marx says about politics/economy/power is accurate.
Oh boy... another edgy liberal that clings to Marx because "western culture" couldn't provide you with an identity that wasn't bought at a strip-mall.
This shouldn't be so difficult to understand, but I guess everything has to be difficult when dealing with white liberals who can't tell the difference between identity and ideology.
Do tell, genius... do you really think economists take Marx seriously because of his ideology? Don't be silly - they take him seriously because his critique of capitalism is an economic one that is completely separable from Marx's ideological stance. Marx was a scientist first and foremost. Understanding Marx's critique of capitalism requires no ideological frame in any way whatsoever.
You might just as well tell me that you need to be a Bakuninist to understand, or admit to, climate change - and you'd be equally as silly.
I'm really sorry that Marx didn't actually provide you with the neatly-packaged counter-cultural identity that you assumed he would - but that's not something we can blame Marx for. That's all on you.
It's time to realize that that Che Guevara t-shirt you own is just that - a t-shirt.
Lol what, I'm not a Marxist dumbass. I'm not the guy you originally responded to, as I said in the first sentence. You look like a clown
Don't go crying just because you were too stupid to realize that words have multiple meanings, and that he was referring to Marxism as an ideology rather than Marxism as a theory. Hint – many throughout history have used interpretations of Marx's analysis and ideas of a democratic socioeconomic system to push for a Marxist implementation of socialist/communist society, hence Marxism as an ideology. It's extremely straightforward to derive for normal people, but not you apparently.
Is it suddenly my fault that all you liberals sound the same? I think not... your mind-numbing conformity is on you - not me.
Oh, are we backpedalling now? Wasn't this you just a short while ago?
Doesn't seem like you're all that certain of your own case all of a sudden - I wonder why?
It's your fault when you literally can't read the first sentence in the comment. It's also funny how you say that when you sound literally the exact same as everyone on red-fash reddit & lemmy instances and are literally insulting people by calling them "mind-numbingly conformist". Do you not see the hypocrisy???
Calling random, usually leftist/socialist/anarchist, Lemmy users "liberals" itself is cringe. As well as even using the word "conformist" in this context. You are quite literally just throwing random no-no words at people you don't like after making incorrect assumptions about their political ideologies. What exactly is a "liberal" to you?
Holy shit you can't be serious, I literally say the phrase has multiple meanings IN THE NEXT CLAUSE OF THE SAME SENTENCE:
At this point you're willingly ignoring what's right in front of you to be pretentious and try to "win".
I generally don’t take antisemites seriously. Therefore Marx is a blowhard in my book.
This is HILARIOUS! Thank you!
Ahh, so it's a skin color thing... Yea, color me shocked you'd have that kinda spin lmao
What color and political leaning are you? We'd like to judge what type of human you are
Come again? Are you trying to pretend that US foreign policy isn't white supremacist?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... you'd better hop to it.
Why? Is my speech not white - oops, sorry, I meant to say "western" - enough for you?