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[-] Cnaiur@lemm.ee 90 points 7 months ago

Hey if paying for a game isn’t owning it, pirating it isn’t stealing it

[-] metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub 13 points 7 months ago

It never was, it's just copyright infringement.

[-] tubaruco@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

pirating isnt stealing, its a different crime!

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[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 83 points 7 months ago

How the fuck is Steam Deck a monopoly? Literally anyone could have made a great Linux based handheld. Anyone still can do it. Only Valve did.

[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

And Valve would probably love for the new handheld to also use the Valve libraries, if that helps them penetrate the market even faster.

[-] almost1337@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

They weren't even the first, Ayn and Ayaneo were making handheld gaming computers well before Valve or the other major companies started to get involved.

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

This isn't even Valve's first dedicated platform, either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)

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[-] AeroSmack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And I'm here for it! Microsoft is actually, definitevely trying to monopolize the market by buying all its competitors. Valve just makes such good products that nobody can compare. Since they're not buying off competitors, their business will actually have the opportunity to wane if their products ever become subpar. Steam has ridiculous discounts, they let people use their Source engine for pretty much whatever because they never forgot that iD let them modify the iDtech engine to make Half-Life, they're pushing Linux gaming lightyears ahead, and now they have an affordable, portable gaming PC that is not dependent on any of Microsoft's garbage OS.

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable.” ~ Gabe Newell

EDIT: double-quoted Lord Gaben

[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

I love that all it takes to beat Microsoft is to make an actual, quality product and one that respects the customer. Seems these huge corporations are so bloated and disconnected that they're actually incapable of making anything worth a damn anymore

[-] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago

All it takes to beat Microsoft is to have consistently pumped money and developer time into Linux, wine, mesa, radv, vkd3d, dxvk (each significant in their own right) plus an OS or two for over 10 years now. It's really easy!

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[-] Funwayguy@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I also find it hilarious when Asus comes along with the Ally trying to claim a piece of the pie, only to fry their own SDs with their flawed design. Later Valve R&D comes out with the refined OLED model effectively nullifing any lead the Ally had.

This all while Proton continues to free gaming from windows and open it up to more OSes and hardware for the benefit of all with contributions upstream to WINE.

Valve even salvaged everything they learned from the original SteamOS, Steam Link, and controller, then revived it in the Deck.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

Remember that a monopoly is a monopoly and unless it's a State corporation, you've got no say in the way it's run.

Valve could turn around and start implementing bullshit and they would be in a position that you would pretty much have no choice but to give up on the ease of access to all your games if you decided not to do business with them anymore or they could decide to ban you for one reason or another and you would lose everything you purchased from them.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 7 months ago

You are both correct, and way off the mark in what you've said.

Valve is mostly a store platform for the last like 15 years. They're also privately owned, so no appeasing share holders and releasing all of their data and everything else that goes with going public, so they have a lot of freedom to do what they want, but they still do things that make them money, and that GabeN likes.

Valve takes a 30% cut of any game purchase on steam. That's their bread and butter/huge revenue source. All the sales you talk about aren't valves, so much as they're the game license holders choice. If No Man's Sky is 80% off It's because Hello Games made it 80% off. Not Valve.

The Steam Deck is Linux because Gabe likes it and there's no license fee to worry about paying to windows. If gaming becomes easy for PC based systems and doesn't require a paid OS like windows, more people will go to PC gaming, which means more people will buy games through steam and make Valve money.

The Steam Deck works so well because unlike every other handheld PC manufacturer, Valve doesn't have to or even likely really care to make a direct profit on its sale. Again, they're a storefront that gets 30% of anything sold on steam. Steam Decks mean more game purchases through steam.

It's also why Valve has offered up free use of Steam OS to any other hand held PC. An Asus Rog Ally isn't competition against Valve. It's a free revenue source to sale more games on Steam, and you're even more likely to buy games through the steam store if you're using Steam OS because a lot of customers like easy with no setup needed.

So it doesn't matter if their product sales wane. It's not their revenue stream. Selling other people's PC games is their revenue stream. Their competition isn't Microsoft. It's other game stores like Origin, Amazon, Gog, and Epic. Thus far Valve seems to be crushing the competition.

[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago

Monopoly? More like, the choice that doesn't suck. Same game store for last 20 years. Free online play for games. FPS games support mouse and keyboard. No OS fee or subscription. Crazy cheap deals with stuff like humble bundle. Plus: sharing library with friends and family supported. Meanwhile Xbox 360 store is closing this year. Microsoft, Nintendo and PlayStation are all trying to get me to subscribe to a Netflix style gaming service.

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago

Considering the amount of PC portables releasing these days and the fact Nintendo made a portable that sold 9 figures, I wouldn't worry about a monopoly just yet

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago

People in online forums and pretty much everywhere else as well always talk PS vs XBox and never talk about Nintendo. Nintendo absolutely crushes the competition with almost everything they release. The WiiU has been about their only miss in the last few decades. I think the GameCube may have gone a bit stale but not positive on that one.

The switch has sold over 132 million systems. PS4 sold 113 million its entire run and PS5 is sitting on 50 million. Poor Xbox series s/x has only sold 21 million.

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[-] Reddit_Is_Trash@reddthat.com 35 points 7 months ago

Valve is a massive company because they put their customers first, go figure.

It's not a monopoly, most pc gamers choose to use steam because of the significantly better user experience it offers vs the competition

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

I don't know why you have any downvotes. Everything you wrote is true. Steam has a very nice user experience, but if you don't want to use it, GOG, Epic, and retail still exist as a means of buying PC games. It just so happens that Steam makes the whole process painless.

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I switched from mostly Playstation to mostly Steam slowly over the last decade cause I like their services. It just works. I explicitly at this point won't get a computer game that isn't on Steam. I own one of the little physical Steam Links and cant believe it's still supported by Vavle. Steam Deck was the final nail. I once didn't like a game and got a refund on it. I have made older games playable and comfortable with the controller custom configurations. My older games and game saves still work on my new PC's cause it's all mostly backwards compatible. I love the Guide, Discussions, and Community Content parts of Steam. It adds so much life, answers questions, builds camaraderie, for some games.

With Playstation, the 2011 hack was bad enough. Being a day 1 Vita adopter, I feel forgotten and taken advantage of. I've had to deal with Sony repairs before and didn't get my console back for months. Before Sony introduced 2FA far too late, my account got hacked. Sony rep's treated me like a criminal and only gave me my account back because I so happened to still have the unfunctional console (and serial number) I originally created my PSN account on like 6-8 years earlier. PS4 initially lacked basic features PS3 had. PS5 has done the same. The games hardly drop in price relative to PC games. Backwards compatibility is questionable every generation. I signed up for PS Now to stream PS3 games and a month later they changed it and stopped adding more PS3 games. The PS Portal and proprietary wireless only further shows how stupid Sony is.

I'll never buy another Playstation again.

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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

It's so funny when you remember what people said (or better: screamed) when Steam first came into existence... It was pretty much the opposite of what you wrote in your post.

[-] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean, they worked really hard for this and did tremendosly improve linux gamig while doing so.

Having a monopoly because your product is too good comoared to everyone is something different than forcing a monopoly with market power, and I think that in this case it could be okay

[-] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Having a monopoly because everyone chooses to purchase from you is not "having a monopoly", so not only should it be ok, it should be a wake up call to the competition that they can and should do better.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

Meanwhile Nintendo releasing the same chip from 2016 for the 8th year in a row on an underpowered handheld.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

Who cares if the Switch doesn't have the hardware to compete with Sony and Xbox? It never was trying to compete with Sony or Xbox. It's been a serviceable device with a huge library of awesome games. Graphics aren't gameplay.

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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

At least they do it with a good freakin console. XD

[-] Grntrenchman@sh.itjust.works 41 points 7 months ago

And I love how it's the opposite of other console approaches.

Everyone else: "let's rope some devs into exclusives, and make some more in house, that'll lock them in!"

Valve: "let's develop improvements to OSS publicly, so it runs better on PC for everyone (and our product)"

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Microsoft came crawling back. EA came crawling back. Ubisoft came crawling back. Square Enix came crawling back. Activision came crawling back. Most viable competitor can't turn a profit despite third-party exclusives and free games.

Now they've got handheld users and the entire Linux gaming community suctioned onto Gaben's tits.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

As a Linux user I can confirm that I only use Steam (with the exception being the Prism Launcher), the funniest part is any of Steams competitors could launch on Linux with minimum effort but instead they chose to essentially give Steam a monopoly over Linux gaming.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

exactly, literally every tecnology that steam uses, or created for steam/steam deck is open source

[-] corus_kt@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Gaben's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Meanwhile Nintendo is laughing it's ass off because half of their library is based on gimmick consoles that aren't easily emulated. They figured out long ago consoles would die if they didn't start innovating

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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Yeah i like its even open for non steam game launchers ( epic games etc... ).

And the trackpads are my favorite, its so easy to scroll or move the cursor with them. They even have a super long charging cable. Its just valves baby, you know it when you have one.

[-] M500@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

EPIC GAMES: Why will no one buy games from me 😭? The market is unfair!

[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

The steamdeck could theoretically install epic games launcher!!!! So if the user wants epic games on it then do it ;D

But because epic games doesnt have really good controller support or steam input support it is not so good. But you could just add the games to your steam library ;D

[-] M500@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

I get all that. But if both companies will the games, then why bother with epic, steam gives a lot more than just the game. Epic is a half baked experience.

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[-] RQG@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

I don't think the current mobile gaming monopoly is going anywhere. Switch or deck are tiny compared to phones.

[-] tubaruco@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

i think of phones as tools, not gaming consoles or computers

of course because games on it are either money grabs or used to waste time, rarely is a phone game an actual game

[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

So wait. You can run switch games on the deck?

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 18 points 7 months ago
[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

The secret is crime

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ryujinx and yuzu both work and run well in my experience. Biggest barrier was navigating the deck file structure for setting them up, but not impossible. Both also perform well via streaming from a desktop.

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[-] jkozaka@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

I'm out ofnthe loop, but I hear good things about yuzu. There are other emulators, but I don't remember any (I hear they are also good though).

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[-] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Steam Deck is a step in the right direction but I wish they'd make games

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