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submitted 7 months ago by dat_math@hexbear.net to c/covid@hexbear.net

Is covid-liberalism a bannable offense in c/covid?

I'm getting really fucking weary of seeing sentiments like, "being upset about someone scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment in the middle of the second largest covid wave is deranged" or "you're a selfish asshole for expecting your loved ones to do the bare fucking minimum to protect you" in discussions on masking or vaccine uptake

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in the growing anomie. Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago

I've been saying it for four years, the virus doesn't give a fuck about your politics, you're not owning anyone, you're just shaving decades off your lifespan, which I guess technically means you're owning yourself

If we were a sane society, people not practicing safe covid precautions should receive an ass-whooping, because it would count as self-defense

[-] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 7 months ago

I think the virus really likes capitalism. It’s done a lot for it.

[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

being upset about someone scheduling a non-emergency dental appointment

im going to hyperfixate on this example specifically because i otherwise agree completely with this post

problem is that dental problems snowball. you don't get proper dental treatment, it gets worse. so then you need a more expensive and invasive surgery or operation later on

so unless it's literally a routine checkup, i would argue there isn't really such a thing as a "non-essential" dental appointment. this literally only matters to me because my teeth hurt and i don't want them to continue to hurt more

edit: the fact that covid-safe dentists exists means that i am both exonerated and you are more correct. get your teeth cleaned by a non plague rat dentist hexbearites

edit 2: my point is basically that i care about dental hygiene and covid safety and i dont want to trade those off from each other

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

They separate vision and dental care from standard healthcare to make you think they’re luxury procedures bougie-wink

[-] piccolo@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

Maintenance of optional bones and organs

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Whats a good wayntonfind said covid-safe dentists. I have a moderate issue I don't want to become a major issue

[-] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

I asked on reddit-logo in my local city's subreddit to get a list of covid-safe dentists. I got downvoted and trolled to hell but I also got a list of dentists who require everyone in the clinic -- patients and staff -- wear masks. I also got a list of ones who had relaxed requirements so I could avoid them. Now I'll admit I've had a lot going on and I haven't called any of them to arrange an appointment yet since I just wanted to plan a regular checkup and cleaning, but it's a start.

I might also suggest /r/ZeroCovidCommunity, which is pretty leftist for reddit-logo. I know that site is shit in general but these were niche helpful uses of it.

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[-] Melina@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago

This post is getting popular

This community exists for the few of us left who genuinely still care about the virus’ impact on humanity and we are not ones who disregard prioritizing our health and the health of our loved ones.

This is a space to share research, to educate and to be educated with the little resources we have available to us, however we feel about this virus shouldn’t concern you and if you want to ignore the virus and pretend it doesn’t exist go ahead and do that but we won’t back down from trying to protect you or tell you how dangerous Covid is, we are still living in a pandemic.

Do not come here for a fight because you will be banned immediately.

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Thank you for your service rosa-salute

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah definitely a "take note of which usernames are going treatlord on this person for venting about how bad it sucks to suffer through this pandemic that the systems that be have decided to pretend is not happening" situation. my mom tested positive like 2 days ago and I'm also very pissed

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Wow, I'm really sorry. I hope you and your mum make it through OK.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

So far it seems like a very mild case, thanks!

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[-] whatnots@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

yeah like we hear enough of that rhetoric irl i don't think it has a place in c/covid

[-] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago

Hexbear has historically been one of the few anti-covid communities out there that isn't primarily focused on Covid, at least that I've found. It should absolutely be a bannable offense, I'd argue from the site. I did not realize we had a struggle session about Covid, wtf.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

a user posted a vent post about how he was frustrated his partner got covid and he probably would too as a result, listing a few gripes he had to get them off his chest like that she wasn't being as careful as he would like and also had a recent dentist appointment, at no point did OP say anything to their partner or in any way imply he wasn't going to take care of them and a bunch of people said really absurdly aggressive and shitty things to him over it, its still the top fucking post for me right now because people can't stop pearl clutching

[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

The !vegan@hexbear.net sidebar has lots of resources that lurkers can use to educate themselves before posting, but the !covid@hexbear.net sidebar does not. If the sidebar includes resources about dentist safety, moderating comments that express unfamiliarity with or opposition to those resources seems reasonable.

[-] PaX@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

Yes please

I don't remember Hexbears being this bad about COVID before :(

[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Hexbear has grown a lot in recent months, we have over 900 daily users now

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

it feels less active than a few months ago for me, aside from the undying threads that stay at the top of main for ages, maybe my account is fucked up somehow

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nah you're right, I clear through the site in like half the time I used to (I use it to kill time at work so it has been obviously noticeable).

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[-] whatnots@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i saw someone share that covid.tips resource a while back that I think would also be good as a sidebar resource

[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Very telling that most of the people bashing OP in the other thread are new here and probably aren’t aware of c/covid and the culture this site has about taking COVID seriously.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, I've bit my tongue a few times outside c/covid lately about people angry at being judged for not masking, and it's almost always been newer accounts.

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

The critics were using slurs, saying they rarely mask, and making common cause with libs from other instances. Thanks to the mods for cleaning stuff up.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago

Agreed. Unmask a Liberal and a Fascist will try to sell you on a Eugenics of apathy and, "Well, actually."

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Honestly it should justify a permaban from the entire site. That thread was absolutely pathetic.

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm glad we had a spot to highlight the issue for those who aren't paying attention. Anyhow, this is just my vibes and not a real thought out analysis.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

I knew Hexbear had given in to being plague rats when there was massive discourse^TM^ and treat-defending on Barbenheimer when the only thought I had was, "you fuckers willingly jumped into the Covid death trap called movie theaters for the sake of two fucking movies. You risked getting long Covid and infecting other people with Covid for two shitty movies you won't even remember in 5 years." I sympathize if you're talking about an important social gathering like a wedding or if you're trying to organize with people who unfortunately are plague rats, but how much of a fucking treat-brained plague rat do you have to be to not wait 6 goddamn months before those movies show up on Netflix?

It's Joever for the broader site.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

But it's fine! According to some posters I've seen yesterday, long covid just goes away and cures itself if you don't get covid for a couple of months!!

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[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

Maybe we should operate more like c/vegan where everything from omnivore apologia to overt antiveganism (analogous to the above anti-precaution/anti-max/anti-vax-apologia) is forbidden, and posting/commenting as much gets you a ban?

I agree with this. We should have at least one place where COVID can be discussed without people coming in to scold people for not kissing strangers on New Year's Eve.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

I don't know what liberalism is even supposed to mean in this context; surely any sort of Marxist or materialist analysis would tend to put the blame on the systemic forces shoving people into the orphan juicing machine, not on the individuals navigating the systems incompetently.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

OP of that post was also not actually blaming his partner, it was a vent post, a way to air frustrations that are not worth or appropriate to do more than that for. It is extremely silly to frame it this way, like he sat down and ran the numbers and its all his partners fault, thats not the kind of post it was

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[-] dat_math@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

~~You~~ Someone else was deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking, despite, apparently possessing the knowledge and tools to see that what you were dispensing was at best merely dismissive of individual efforts towards harm reduction in their own lives, and at its worst, simply harmful advice.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

edited: sorry, I'm losing my mind and conflated you with another user

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You were deliberately undermining evidence-based precautionary advice regarding vaccines and masking

Yes, as evidenced by the fact that I stated I masked everyday in a KN95, spray ELAH in my nostrils twice daily, and have every vaccine I am eligible for.

Look you don't get to pretend everyone who has a different take on the morality of individual covid precautions is undermining the science of individual covid precautions. I was arguing with a colleague in March 2020 about the efficacy of the N95 I was wearing to the store because "CDC said there's no evidence those help", I'm not about to take accusations of mask efficacy minimization from you seriously.

[-] dat_math@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

I 100% conflated you and another user. I'm so sorry for my aggression. Everything about covid, especially seeing people here doing what I erroneously accused you of has really been eroding my sanity.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

No worries, that whole thing was a mess.

Cheers!

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[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

no, they were not doing that, i agree with what you're saying in OP but @a_blanqui_slate was not doing those things.

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[-] grazing7264@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago
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