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Proxmox my beloved
Did you ever try LXD/Incus?
Nope. I'm pretty happy with proxmox and I dont want to change a perfectly fine, running system
+1 … been using PVE in my homelab for ages and just deployed a small, self-contained (i.e. non-SAN-connected) PVE cluster at the office in light of Broadcom’s shenanigans. I had no idea just how fantastically well Proxmox ran on higher-end hardware with Ceph installed. It’s glorious.
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I love LXD/INCUS + ZFS! It goes together like chocolate and peanut butter.
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You are either going all in with VMware or you're dead to them. Full suite or nothing, take your pick.
The moment that broadcom bought them the writing was on the wall. Many people have already jumped ship.
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Perhaps I'll try it out for a while before making such a huge commitme.. oh, i see...
For the cost, SMB is going to walk away. There are millions of SMB's.
SMBs are not the target. Companies with a sizeable vSAN investment, huge amounts of VMware based automation and the fortune 1000 are. MSRP on the cheap license is going to be around $275/core, minimum 16 cores per socket.
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They are planning to tolerate losing 95% of their customers. Of about 100,000 customers, they only care about 600 of them much, and about 6 thousand kind of, if they want to stick around, but not too much. The rest are fully expected to bail.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/30/broadcom_strategy_vmware_customer_impact/
LOL was about to implement esxi, on a rather beefy surplus server, to run all my students' PCs on since win 11 won't boot on their hardware from 24h2... Guess my students won't get to use VMware and the purchase approval I just got for a few workstation pro licenses wasn't needed.
Proxmox for baremetal hypervisor, or? I've got a bunch of windows server licenses as well, I think some for hyper-v server as well. What would you implement?
I'm happy with proxmox in a non-production environment/homeLab. Stable and straightforward.
Just found out from your comment that windows is shutting the door completely on CPUs that don't support POPCNT. There's config settings to install Windows 11 on legacy hardware (old CPU, tpm chips, etc) but who knows when they'll pull the plug on that.
Weird as it is, it's not as radical as I thought:
For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.
Of course they probably could have avoided it, but a 15 year old PC is as close to ewaste as it gets. Even if you could run Linux on it, a modern smartwatch probably has more computing power, let alone a smartphone or raspberry pi. The main use could be as a space heater.
Yea there's plenty of reasons to shit on MS, but dropping support for 15+ years old CPUs isn't one of them lol
If someone is being affected by this, then maybe it's time for them to upgrade their shit lmao
Proxmox is really good, same with XCP-ng. You could also run something like Debian server and roll your own KVM based platform if you have the chops.
Overall, lots of solid choices in the Open Source realm. I would avoid proprietary solutions, since that's largely the reason the whole VMWare situation happened in the first place.
Check xcp-ng with xen-orchestra.
Here's a really nice guide to XCP-NG vs Proxmox (Video creator's preference is for XCP, so there's an acknowledged bias there, but it's still a solid rundown of the two).
Personally, I just run straight KVM on Debian or Ubuntu servers, but that's not for everyone. Web based management for KVM is still kind of rough. Cockpit is getting there, but it's missing key features, and the web based graphical console absolutely sucks.
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I know internally Broadcom is screwing over VMware employees with new contracts. I've heard of staff pushing back three times so far to get contracts changed.
They also poached all of the biggest customers from a bunch of their resellers, from what I hear. I'm guessing the reseller market is pretty dead.
This is exactly what happened.
Well shit. ESXi was the best way to build a home lab when studying for the professional certifications I need.
Proxmox?
Proxmox is a good option for home labs (in my opinion) but it sucks if your workplace utilizes VMWare (or a product limited to VMWare) and you want practice at home
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Check out XCP-ng. Open source, enterprise grade bare metal hypervisor.
I moved from ESXi to it about a year ago, it's been solid. Lots of documentation and support from the community. Lawrence Systems has a ton of great videos on configuring it, both simple and advanced.
Why can't we have nice things
We do, we have Proxmox.
And LXD/Incus...
Why use Proxmox when half of it's technology (the container part) was made by the same people who made LXD/Incus? I mean Incus is free, well funded and can be installed on a clean Debian system with way less overhead and also delivers both containers and VMs.
To be honest, I've never heard of Incus before... it does look interesting though. Terraform provider too? I will check it out!
In a word? Capitalism
You can have nice things... for money!
Yes.. for price set by the greed of companies
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And everyone clapp... oops not that kind of story
And everyone saw that coming
And everyone saw that coming
I wonder where all the "wE jUSt GoTTa WAiT aNd SEe" people are now?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In December, Broadcom began laying off thousands of employees and stopped selling perpetually licensed versions of VMware products, pushing its customers toward more stable and lucrative software subscriptions instead.
This week, Broadcom is making a change that is smaller in scale but possibly more relevant for home users of its products: The free version of VMware's vSphere Hypervisor, also known as ESXi, is being discontinued.
ESXi is what is known as a "bare-metal hypervisor," lightweight software that runs directly on hardware without requiring a separate operating system layer in between.
ESXi allows you to split a PC's physical resources (CPUs and CPU cores, RAM, storage, networking components, and so on) among multiple virtual machines.
ESXi also supports passthrough for PCI, SATA, and USB accessories, allowing guest operating systems direct access to components like graphics cards and hard drives.
It was also a useful tool for people who used the enterprise versions of the vSphere Hypervisor but wanted to test the software or learn its ins and outs without dealing with paid licensing.
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