I would down vote this post if down vote was possible
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Oh crap. Lemmy.one doesn't have downvotes - this is bad.
Without downvotes it is not easy to know which comments are controversial. I don't want to join another tiktok or instagram, I want to join something informative and thus a proxy of the value of the information (while not perfect) is critical.
I thought it was community specific, but looks like I can't downvote even on other instances.
I need to look for an alternative now.
Yes, you will have to be sure to join an instance aligned with your values on moderation.
Do you happen to know what happens if someone is on an instance that allows downvotes and downvotes a post on a different instance which doesn't allow them?
The downvote isn't federated.
I think not having that will turn this into a tiktok or instagram.
I'm now trying out lemm.ee which has downvotes, and so far looks good.
I disagree, but it sounds like lemm.ee will be a better fit for you, and that's the beauty of the fediverse 👍
Yeah!
The thing is others can downvote you from other instances. Just you can't.
I don't know if lemm.ee takes the downvotes into account for the score, or ignores them. But from other instances you can downvote the same post or comment.
-1 in terms of a comment score? If you can't downvote, yes, the score is never going to be negative.
That's the beauty of federation: you can choose any of the 90% (or higher) of Lemmy instances that allow downvoting, instead of one of the few that doesn't :)
I don't know. I like the lack of a downvote.
If I like it, I up vote.
If I have something to say to support or refute, I comment.
If it needs to be reported, I report it.
Otherwise, I exercise my own right to social media "mokusatsu" and just move on. Almost like it's not even worth my effort to downvote.
Yeah, the downvotes are really unnecessary. Just a lazy way to be negative.
Speak up, report, or move on with your life. Whatever is appropriate to the situation.
I disagree. Downvoting was often used as a super anonymous way to bully people. I am glad it's not a feature here and hope that it remains not a thing on Lemmy.one.
I dunno. I realize the intent behind downvotes, but on reddit this led to dog piling. And regardless of whether you were "right" or not, if the first 1 or 2 down votes, by pure chance, didn't like you, your post/comment was basically nuked to the phantom realm.
If it's that bad, just report it. If its not worth reporting, its not worth the dog piling either
I have to disagree, as I’ve seen posts get an initial few downvotes well into negative playing field and come back after the rest of the community has had a read. We’ve all seen the back up comments to a post like that “not sure why you’re getting downvoted…”
And not having dog-piling leads to reverse dogpiling, where only those with the resources/know how to have a botnet army surreptitiously upvote all other comments achieves the same thing.
You haven't gotten rid of the problem, you've just removed your own and other average users' ability to participate in the solution.
Wouldn't those other bots also downvote if they could anyway?
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please no! This is the reason I chose this instance, and downvotes is something I always hated on Reddit - and occasionally even HN
Yeah I don't think it really makes sense to disable downvotes for everyone on the instance. Why should I be unable to downvote something on an external community when everyone else viewing that community has the ability to downvote?
I agree with this, I have no problem with Lemmy.one disabling downvotes for its communities, but it's frustrating not to be able to have the option in external communities which allow downvoting.
because I don't want anybody downvoting me on any instance, and I don't want to see downvotes in discussions or have discussions being weighted by downvotes.
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I was initially skeptical of not having access to downvotes, but I've not really come across a situation where I want to use it.
My view is likely to change though as more Reddit users migrate to the lemmyverse/kbin as a whole
Agreed!
I personally didn’t mind the lack of (downvotes), but really thought I would at least miss it a little more but I don’t.
Granted I only recently joined so time will tell.
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I disagree. Initially, I thought lacking downvotes was an issue as well, but I’ve changed my thinking.
If it’s a post or comment I disagree with, I try to reconcile WHY I disagree, and then use that to participate in the discussion, as opposed to just dropping a downvote and moving on.
If it’s a post or comment that needs active intervention by a moderator, reporting it is the best solution anyway, not simply downvoting it.
Without the downvote option, i just seem to block people way more frequently. Which honestly probably works out for the best
That's the reason I loved RES and third party apps. Ultimate block controls. I didn't have as terrible of a reddit experience as some people as a result, since it was curated for me.
It was great having a long list of topics for RES to filter out of my feed, that's for sure.
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I agree.
It would be interesting to open this up to the instance and see how they feel.
I don't miss it. For a lot of people down vote is just a I disagree with your take button instead taking the time to leave a comment instead of refuting it.
If a comment is really problematic better to just report.
Absolutely my feeling as well. I think the discourse is better for removing that button, and I haven't missed it.
I also know that if it returned I would use it as a I disagree with your take button as I've always done.
Can we downvote lemmy.one posts and comments from another instance?
you can, but it won't have effect on lemmy.one, because it's going to discard downvotes
So a top post on lemmy.one could be a controversial post on other instances?
Sounds like a good reason to block an i stance if it has the predictable results.
Yes exactly. I think each instance calculates separately the score and which posts appear in hot/etc.
I kinda get it, but why would a post be controversial and at the same time not a reason enough to either report or block the user that posted it?
I liked the fact that we don't have downvotes here.
When I first entered this thread I was on your side. But in a twist of extreme irony, the first 7-10 disagreement replies explaining that giving a reason is better than a random downvote, I ended up siding with them. Maybe between blocking, reporting, and explanations, we have enough?
On Hexbear we found that downvotes were being used by trolls to anonymously manipulate perceptions on the site. In particular, there was an organized campaign to downvote trans-positive content to try to drive them out so stupidpol types could elbow their way in. We ended up cracking open the database table and banning everyone responsible. We also disabled the downvote.
The problem with the downvote is that it is lazy and anonymous. If somebody is spreading misconceptions, they should be confronted in the open, so those misconceptions can be corrected. If somebody is posting something inappropriate for the site, it should be removed outright. By removing the downvote, we brought a lot of arguments out into the open and have since found consensus on many issues which would otherwise remain ongoing sectarian squabbles.
On the software side of things, I think it would be better if downvotes were enabled / disabled at the community level, rather than the instance level though. There are places where they can be appropriate.
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