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[–] xtract@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It might lead to thicker phones, but battery and/or SW obsolescence are the main reasons I have been swapping phone in the last 10 years.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Back in the day when I had a Samsung S4, I bought this massive brick of a battery/new back plate and I LOVED it. Absolutely worth being a bit thick.

[–] illumrial@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Now make SD cards mandatory and you've got something really good.

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[–] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Finally! Now to also force phonemakers to universally provide bootloader unlocks so we can put our own ROMs on our devices once the software support ends.

[–] M_Reimer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And now they just have to force manufacturers to either at least security patch devices for, let's say 10 years, or force them to open source everything the community needs to continue supporting this device. It never happened to me that the battery died before support ended.

Just had that issue with my Pixel 3a XL. No more security updates. Had to replace it with a Pixel 6a but I liked the 3a XL more. It there was any community support for the 3a XL, I would rather sell my 6a again.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As an Apple user, I definitely have batteries die before the product stops being useful. The company provides feature updates for old phones for several years, and when that runs out they continue to provide security patches for several more years.

A new iPhone battery is only $47 (if you do the repair yourself, and if you send your old battery back to Apple for a recycling credit), but it's a pretty complex and arduous process with a fair chance of damaging your phone while attempting it. You also have to pay a deposit, over a thousand dollars, to rent the tools off Apple. Ouch.

You can take it to an Apple store, but that takes even longer than doing the repair yourself. And it costs more (though you don't have to pay the outrageous deposit for the tools).

This legislation would force Apple to make it a simple process with no tools. Yes please.

[–] Wander@yiffit.net 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hooray! Younger generations will finally be able to experience the joy of dropping their phone and having to pick up three to four different pieces! /s

(I'm all for this change, by the way)

[–] _MoveSwiftly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh I remember that with Nokias. It's like shock absorbing for cars lol.

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[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Honestly, with Apple making it incredibly fucking hard to take out their batteries with excessive amounts of glue, I'm okay with this.

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[–] quortez@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fingers crossed that this will be implemented well, im tired of having sleek electronics be irrelevant in 2 years when the silicon could go for 5 or six

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The silicon could go on for decades if both the modem and processor were fully documented hardware that the community can access and support in the Linux kernel.

I can run a secure and current form of Linux on 30+ year old hardware if I want to, because the hardware documentation was expected by everyone at the time even if some end users were oblivious to what this meant. The whole reason google pushes Android is because they provide a base Linux kernel that hardware manufacturers can easily slip their proprietary junk into without requiring them to add the kind of open source code needed for mainline kernel support by the community. This is the mechanism that depreciates your device. It is totally artificial and an end user exploitation by design.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's usually not silicon on the PCB that fails, but the other electronic components (usually the capacitors) that fails first, and since they are surface mounted devices it's really difficult to solder them by hand.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

There are no electrolytics in phones, and most newer phones don't even have tantalums. So long as there are no flexing stresses induced, which is nearly impossible with the way phones are constructed now, the all MLC capacitors construction has the potential to outlast any PC motherboard or laptop by a large margin.

The most critical issue is board connectors and moisture ingress. The USB-C connector or any other high pin density micro sized connector with a tiny pin pitch, and large electrical potential will fail from charge cycling and a resistance forming between pins. USB-C is particularly bad because reversing the connector doubles the number of pins on the board in a ridiculous amount of space. Just using a standard USB-C connector when ordering a prototype to be fabed at any common board house will double the price. The USB-C pin pitch is too tight for the most common fab process resolution.

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[–] got2best@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Do y'all remember the days when you dropped your phone and it exploded into 3 or 4 pieces? 🤣 Those were the good days.

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[–] connelhooley@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Although this is obviously a step in the right direction it needs to be followed up with security updates, no point increasing the life of the hardware without doing the same for the software.

[–] Emerald_Earth@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Making it illegal to lock bootloaders would make each device community-maintainable.

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[–] xfts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

W move for the EU. Very glad they're mandating stuff that should have been common place to begin with (ex. USB C on iPhones).

[–] guy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Excellent! Batteries in modern phones are surprisingly definitely removable and replaceable. I've done it multiple times. However, the unfriendly barrier to entry is glue and clips that require careful prying with spugers. It's quite clear manufacturers are happy blocking you getting in; plenty people just buy new phones when the battery gets too old.

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[–] boo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I do miss being able to swap out a phone battery and this will certainly be a step in the right direction in terms ewaste and device longevity.

One thing that I wonder about is waterproofing or water resistance. Some phones are basically waterproof in shallow water. How achievable is this with a device with a trivial way to remove the battery?

[–] HubbleST@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The Galaxy S5 sport had a battery door and water resistance. They just used gaskets.

[–] HisDufusness@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

They can just seal the rest of the components exposing just a connection for the battery. There were water resistant phones before, the major reason they decided to make the battery unremovable was to make people buy new phones. Nobody wants to charge their phones multiple times a day.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is my concern as well. Having a phone that is water and dust resistant is far more important to me than being able to replace the battery. I haven't had the need to replace a phone battery in probably more than a decade.

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

Phones are getting more expensive so people are holding on to them longer, so it's a nice quality of life improvement to remove the barriers to battery replacement so less people have to go down to a phone repair store to get it changed. The more of a hassle battery replacement is seen the more likely people are to just upgrade and create e-waste.

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[–] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

My last phone bit the dust because I made the mistake of taking it apart to repair it. It became a gluey piece of garbage. If I want it be waterproof I'll stick it in a sandwich bag. Or maybe the manufacturer can use the novel tech of gaskets.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can’t wait to hear the Apple marketing word for this feature. They’ll add some gimmick like the battery is held in with magnets and say “We call it MagPack and we think you’re going to love it.”

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[–] C8H10N4O2@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I might be in the minority here, but I feel this is actually a step back.

In the 5 years I've had my phone, there have been two times I've ever really needed to pull the battery, and still the hard reset sequence still eventually worked in both cases.

Anyone remember how some phones had issues with the battery door becoming somewhat loose over time, causing any slight bump to turn the phone off? Many have already commented on how they explode into multiple pieces when dropped. Traditionally the battery covers are incredibly flimsy plastic, even on flagship devices (cough Samsung). Waterproofing is a common concern too, however it actually can be done with a removable battery (e.g. Galaxy S5).

What really needed to be addressed here was how cumbersome it is to get into these devices to replace the battery, and how often people are price gouged to replace them. I believe this could have been better written to allow for either a removable battery, or a standardized and affordable built-in battery replacement process.

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[–] Doodoocaca@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Misleading title. Phones can still be glued. Waterproof phones still don't need to have a user replaceable battery (the battery needs to be replaceable but by professionals).

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[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Good. I haven't been able to replace a battery since my S4.

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