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some of the videos ive seen are really heavy so trigger warning

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 65 points 8 months ago

This might be the most interesting point in the war since the Wagner mutiny. With the Belgorod attacks Ukraine has been really pushing Russia's red line of no territorial attacks for symbolic victories. Freedom of Russia Legion Nazis take a photo of themselves holding a flag in some border village, lose all of their vehicles, and die in a ditch for nothing except propaganda value and the hope of drawing NATO further into the war. If this mass shooting results in any connection to Ukraine, I think Kiev and civilian infrastructure is going to come under much heavier assault in response.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 62 points 8 months ago

this mass shooting results in any connection to Ukraine

It very much likely is, how many mass shootings occur in Russia ever? This is the result of the West funding neo-nazis.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 8 months ago

We get some, occasionally. Had several school shootings and stabbings. But I doubt this one is one of those

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago

Not all the same or in the quantity America has the shootings like this one, or the others you descirbed for that matter.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

Russia has had some pretty notable school and barracks shootings and there are other separatist factions with varying levels of connection to the west. It's that degree of separation which makes the response ambiguous. Russia has done things more or less tit-for-tat and if they have a disproportionate response then it will have disproportionate consequences for them. I'm just curious to see which group is held responsible and how closely they're tied to the west because this is going to fuck up someone's day.

[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

Could be a Central Asian separatist group although those have definitely been less of a thing for the past few decades

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago

It was ISIS.

So yes the West.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

Lol where can I read about this latest nazi outfit getting owned

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/search?q=Freedom+of+Russia+Legion&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all

The main subreddit that covers their quixotic adventures. They're Russian citizens under a far-right leader. Before the Russian election they released this masterfully cringey video: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bctpmp/ua_pov_the_legion_is_going_to_the_elections_wait/

After that, they've made a few cross-border assaults on villages to take a photo of themselves holding a flag.

(CW: death) https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bdtkm9/ru_pov_ukrainian_saboteurs_attacking_a_border/

In the big assault, they tried to cross the border checkpoint into Russia. Their tank immediately hit a mine trying to drive straight through it. The infantry then came under artillery fire, retreated to a ditch, and I can't remember whether it was artillery/lancets/drone grenades which were then used to pick them off.

Since then they've done more raids where they hole up in some village and the Russians shell it. Occasionally they take a prisoner before going back to Ukraine.

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[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 8 months ago

"Interesting" is quite a choice of words

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

I mean it's all horrifying on moral and human levels. There's just also that world historical cool zone level where you're seeing decades happen in weeks. If you're watching a war like this develop as a meaningful geopolitical event, you have to either abstract it into competing systems or be broken by focusing on the personal/moral tragedy of every death. Emergency medicine is also interesting to me because if I only think about it in human terms it's nothing but hopeless trauma and gazing into the abyss.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago

If you’re watching a war like this develop as a meaningful geopolitical event

Except I'm not watching it like a geopolitical event. I am watching it as a conscription eligible Russian citizen in a city with a whole lot of targetable infrastructure (including my own workplace), and that has already been attacked prior.

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

How are you holding up comrade?

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 8 months ago

Poorly. Distracting myself with reading Marx (letter to Vera Zasulich).

[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

God bless you mate. May you live to see better days.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think Kiev and civilian infrastructure is going to come under much heavier assault in response.

“Do not do what your opponent wants you to do” - idk Sun Tzu probably.

Assuming the west/Ukraine are behind this attack… why? Obviously no military value. It’s not going to demoralize the Russian people. The only reasonable conclusion I can come to is they want Russia to respond with a heavy hand and hit Ukrainian civilians and infrastructure hard in response as payback.

If that’s the case, I think the Biden admin and NATO country leaders are frustrated with the public’s and political opposition to further supporting the war - whether it’s more money or sending NATO troops. Russia continues their slow advance - just slow enough to not trigger alarm. Get the Russians to hit back hard and that could make it a lot easier for NATO to build support for escalation.

I’m sure it’s not what Russia wants to do, but I think the best strategy is to stick to the plan because I think this attack was done to get them to come off that plan.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

big-cool

Awesome, amazing, definitely going to lead to good things

[-] Aquilae@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Didn't the US just tell Ukraine to stop attacking Russian energy infrastructure in fear of retaliation?

This will not end well...

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

Southfront points to a false flag psyop by the west to hide behind Muslim terrorists.

The large terrorist attack in the Crocus City Hall in Moscow was accompanied by large media campaign. Likely Ukrainian/NATO PSYOP forces shared numerous fake reports aimed to hide the culprits.

The main goal of the ongoing informational operation is to assure the Russians that the attackers were muslims. For example, the photos of several natives of Ingushetia who are allegedly being searched by the Russian special services. It turned out that the photos showed terrorists liquidated in recent Russian anti-terrorist operations in early March. ..

The main voice of American propaganda, CNN reported that ‘since November, there has been “fairly specific” information that ISIS in Afghanistan wanted to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia. US intelligence warned Russia about this’.

Meanwhile, Ukrainians began phone terror. They are using fake numbers to call the 112 hotline number in order to sow panic. Mass fake calls claim alleged shootings and armed attacks in different public places, including shopping centers, schools etc.

The culprits of the terrorist attack are yet to be identified; but the ongoing coordinated informational operation indicates that someone is trying to hide behind the ‘Muslims’.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Russians with attitude has video of one of the bastards they caught hiding up a tree.

The Russian Ministry of the Interior confirms that none of the terrorists arrested for the Crocus City Hall attack are Russian citizens.

All four perpetrators were found and detained. They tried to escape towards ukkkraine where, according to preliminary data, a window was created for them to cross the border. A total of 11 people were detained.

[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

Wasn't there some joke around here last year regarding Ukrainian terrorist attacks like "I regret to announce that the events of April 14th, 2024 have become inevitable in this timeline" that's some fuckin nostradamus shit if it turns out to be Azov nazis doing this.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately I think we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing, not just in Russia but all over the world, as America continues to decline. The post-Cold War economic, political, and military dominance of the US is starting to crumble and the US response, as always, is to try and start more wars. But that instinct butts up against the fact that they simply are not capable of fighting even the wars they're currently conducting. Add in the fact that the US has only gotten bolder in it's outright denial of international law, as opposed it's previous side-stepping, and I suspect we're going to see a wholesale return to the kinds of terrorism and barbarism used in the 70s and 80s - a sort of global years of lead.

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