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[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 2 months ago

Was the credit cut? Bc Existential Comics really be a classic

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 months ago

Don't know is EC has that signed in the image tbh. I just crossposted in this case.

[-] Zaros@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

If I recall correctly, a lot of the comics (at least early ones, I haven't gotten very far) don't have credit on them.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

As much as I abhor the state and wish we live like the state of Cheran (ironic of me to say state in this case, I know), anarchy will only work in a very small group, where everyone knows each other, are like-minded enough to not abuse each other's goodwill, and respect each other's personal boundaries.

[-] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 months ago

So have a lot of small groups

[-] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

Free trade and mutual cooperation between collectives, I thought this was considered the standard anarchic model?

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[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago

Anti-anarchist pretty much think

  • Anarchy = chaos

This is heavily promoted by mainstream media and language

  • Anarchists are pacifist

Many people seem unable to comprehend how a community might defend itself without a standing military and so assume we must be unwilling to defend ourselves.

  • Nothing can be accomplished without coercion

Because most of us have grown up within strict hierarchies coerced to do things we don't want, we have trouble imagining any other way.

  • Everyone is inherently a selfish asshole

This is probably projection in most cases

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

How do you keep an Anarchic Utopia then? What stops Dickie McDickerson and his thugs from establishing a state on top of you?

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

The same that stops them from taking over a democracy. Sometimes.

If a society became anarchist enough to abolish state structures, there obviously had to exist a reason - there had to exist popular support.

Thus, someone attempting to recreate a state would face questions and opposition. People would try to persuade them of their error. If they declared a state, anarchists would not recognize it. If it claimed sovereignity above a territory, anarchists might not recognize that either.

The new state might encounter problems - unwilling residents would leave and be accepted in anarchy, annoyed anarchists would organize trade boycotts and sanctions, ultimately it could go badly and armed confrontation could follow. In some scenarios, the state might remain and attract people who want to live there. In some scenarios, war would follow - and if the majority really was anarchist, the state would lose and disappear.

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[-] natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 58 points 2 months ago

It kind of illustrates why anarchy is as doomed to fail as libertarianism; note the use of force and the fact that the anarchists friends are not there defending him.

Anarchy cannot defend itself from organized outside threats because it is, by its nature, not organized, particularly in its use of force to confront fascism.

[-] RedDoozer@lemmy.zip 51 points 2 months ago

Anarchy is not by nature disorganized. Lack of hierarchy doesn't mean lack of organization. Probably a well-functioning anarchist organization is better organized than most hierarchical ones.

If friends are not there to defend the group of three, mutual aid is missing. That's why it failed.

[-] natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 months ago

Yes, and that mutual aid relies on people all voluntarily helping when there is a problem, rather than having people who are tasked with ensuring people are protected, which is the same reason libertarianism fails; it's an ideology that doesn't acknowledge human self-interest and selfishness, instead it assumes everyone will just agree to abide by a communal philosophy. Many people do not, for all kinds of reasons.

If you are going to create laws and codes of conduct and a means to enforce those laws that's just a normal state with extra steps.

You can maybe do anarchy at a small scale and in specific contexts but not at the scale needed to make a society function and do things like protect minorities the larger community doesn't give a shit about.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 months ago

Who said anarchists and their friends will not defend from outside threats? The Spanish anarchists organized and fought for 3 years against overwhelming odds when they had to.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 11 points 2 months ago

Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

Statist forces have always triumphed.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 months ago

Monarchy always triumphed over democracy until it didn't. Slavery always triumphed over abolition until it didn't.

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[-] pragmakist@kbin.social 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah , but ...

In Paris we fought and were massacred.
In Korea/Manchuria we fought and were massacred.
In Ukraine we fought and were massacred.
And as you say in Spain we fought, but then we were massacred.

There's more of course, but you get the idea.

Something probably should be done differently in the future.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So? How many slave revolutions did we have before it was "technically" abolished (it's still ongoing, but at least illegal in principle)? We had legal slavery for like ~6K years until it was abolished. Capitalism only exists for ~400 years and there were hundreds of failed democratic revolutions. Anarchism as a movement is barely over 150yo and no anarchist revolution happened before 100 years. Just because things don't happen overnight, or even in our lifetime, doesn't mean they're impossible.

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

mutual aid, equality or freedom are not doomed to fail: as long as human beings live in societies they will seek cooperation and justice.

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[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago
[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

AAAB.

All Anarchists Are Based.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago

Anarchism wouldn't get that far in the first place lmao

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago
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[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

If Putin's and Bezos didn't arise in every society, you wouldn't need a government.

But they always do.

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Ah yes the comic that deprogrammed me on anarchism

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