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Researchers jailbreak a Tesla to get free in-car feature upgrades::A group of researchers found a way to hack a Tesla's hardware with the goal of getting free in-car upgrades, such as heated rear seats.

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[-] Djennik@lemmy.world 228 points 11 months ago

"you wouldn't download an in-car feature"

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

I'd do it even if I didn't want the feature.

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[-] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 222 points 11 months ago

I'm amazed that it's legal for a car company to sell you something, and then after you own it, remotely disable xyz aspects of the functionality unless you pay them more. How can that be legal? I own the car, it's MINE now, how can I not use every single thing that's in it?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 130 points 11 months ago

Same reason it's legal for HP to brick your printer if you use third party ink. You violated their shitty TOS that none of us read because it's 80 pages of legalese, but you agreed to it.

[-] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 66 points 11 months ago

hmmm yes I suppose that's true. Okay so let me rephrase: I'm amazed it's legal for a car manufacturer to even HAVE a TOS like that when you purchase a car. It shouldn't be legal to write language like "you are purchasing this but agreeing that you can't use it" ... wtf?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

I agree that it's wrong, but I don't think, at least in the U.S., that there's any law against it. Like I said, HP does the exact same thing with their printers. I certainly would like for it to be illegal.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lets be fair

TOSs you need two lawyers and an ai chatbot to explain to you, shouldnt be legal vs regular citizens.

They cannot expect anyone to read all TOS they get thrown in their face throughout a lifetime. Let alone understand them. Its often not written super clearly and not all users can even read the language very well to begin with.

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[-] Cliffmode3000@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The captalism, American politics bought and paid for.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 120 points 11 months ago

good. software locks are anti human and anti consumer. everyone inherently feels ripped off by them, but the more capitalist minded think 'oh that's the company's right to do'

if it's my property in my house I can fuck with it to do whatever I want

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[-] captainjman2@lemmy.world 119 points 11 months ago

Yes! Back to jailbreaking!

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 94 points 11 months ago
[-] gogosempai@programming.dev 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hardware companies trying to copy the software companies with a subscription model really sucks. What's next? Intel charging a monthly fee to unlock 5 GHz boost? Nvidia charging a monthly fee if you want to do anything AI-related with their GPUs? Samsung and LG charging a monthly fee if you want to use a TV or a monitor for more than 2 hours a day? Greed knows no bounds.

[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Funnily enough, Intel tried something similar already in 2010 (way before their pay-as-you-go bullshit). It was a Pentium that you could unlock hyper-threading on for $50.

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[-] afa@sh.itjust.works 85 points 11 months ago

of course it was the PSP. I’ll say it again and again; secure computing is like adding a back door that you know about. Fuck intel me, fuck amd psp, fuck apple sep, fuck microsoft tpm, and fuck anyone who wants to have control over a device I own.

[-] fishhf@reddthat.com 56 points 11 months ago

Google: time to add DRM to chrome

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[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago

Can somebody build & sell a dumb electric car? Or at least one not permanently internet-enabled and/or that has no functionality and capabilities locked behind software and subscriptions?

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ive been genuinely thinking about getting into business selling dumb stuff exclusively. Dumb tvs, fridges, washers, phones, printers watever. Just a safe online vendor where you know that what you buy wont connect to the internet, need a subscription, or require a credit card on file to work. I just need a business name.

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 21 points 11 months ago

That's a neat idea, and definitely a product group that I've been actively looking for. But I do find it ironic that your business model is of an online vendor that sells offline versions of online appliances haha

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[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

Technological serfdom. You don't own anything anymore. You can perpetually rent from your lord or you can suffer the consequences.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

The "you wouldnt pirate a car" crowd will be shook when they finally realize " yes we would"

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 60 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A group of researchers said they have found a way to hack the hardware underpinning Tesla’s infotainment system, allowing them to get what normally would be paid upgrades — such as heated rear seats — for free.

This may also give owners the ability to enable the self-driving and navigation system in regions where it’s normally not available, the researchers told TechCrunch, though they admitted that they haven’t tested these capabilities yet, as that would require more reverse engineering.

“We are not the evil outsider, but we’re actually the insider, we own the car,” Werling told TechCrunch in an interview ahead of the conference.

Werling explained that what they did was “fiddle around” with the supply voltage of the AMD processor that runs the infotainment system.

With the same technique, the researchers said they were also able to extract the encryption key used to authenticate the car to Tesla’s network.


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[-] noisypine@sh.itjust.works 50 points 11 months ago

Researchers jailbreak Tesla to allow usage of the entire car they purchased. FTFY

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 50 points 11 months ago

Heated rear seats I can get behind

[-] JaymesRS@midwest.social 34 points 11 months ago

Why would you want to be behind the heated seats? Seems like it’d be warmer on the seat, not to mention that there’s no 3rd row in a Tesla so you’d be in the trunk…

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[-] swirle13@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

This looks to have already been discovered years ago as this company sells an OBD2 plug that can toggle all of this stuff, as well as highjacking some controls to add new functionality, as well as adding 50HP to those cars with a specific rear motor version https://ingenext.ca/products/ghost-upgrade

Is this method software only? Because the upgrades on that site are pretty expensive and proprietary.

[-] 4thDimensionDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

as well as adding 50HP

Holy shit, IRL health buffs to mounts

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[-] mydickismicrosoft@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is great. When you buy the car, you own it. I don’t care what kind of weird licenses and contracts they put together. If I buy the car and there is hardware in the car that allows for heated seats, there is no reason why I shouldn’t be able to enable it myself, tear it out, or do whatever I want with it. It is mine.

I can understand there being safety concerns for modifying a car. But the owner of the car already accepts liability for the operation of that car. If I do not modify the car and I get into an accident due to Teslas auto pilot feature or another thing baked into their system, does Tesla accept liability? No, they do not. If it is my responsibility for the safe operation of the vehicle, then it is also my responsibility to modify a vehicle in a safe manner. 

[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Never buying any car with this type of tech.

If it's "our future" then I'll stick to used cars for life

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[-] itadakimasu@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Elon's going to have a hissy fit

[-] woooferine@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

He has one every X minutes anyway, an extra one is not going to make any difference.

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[-] Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

"Researchers remove limits that shouldn't be there on features that are already part of the car"

[-] bisexualskunkie@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Can't imagine a bigger "fuck you" to give to the Muskrat... other than when Xtwitter finally implodes.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

"how to jailbreak your Mr coffee grinder and grind any beans you want!"

"5 hacks to get your doorbell to keep working without a subscription!"

"How to beat Microsoft Office drm to turn in assignments for free!"

"4 clever ways to keep your AC running all summer long for free, no CC required! #3 will shock you!"

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[-] bappity@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

GOOD!! I despise it when hardware features are held at ransom!

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